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William KERR & Marion WARNOCK

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Hello,

Children of William KERR & Marion WARNOCK baptised at Rutherglen, Lanark:

Isobel 1810
Margaret 1812
William 1814
James 1816
Mary 1819
Marion 1821

William is in my tree and so far no death has been found.

Not these:

08/06/1854 KERR WILLIAM M GOVAN GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 646/00 0030 0460

Govan Parish Register Interments for 1854
8 Jun 1854 William KERR 32 Ship carpenter Cholera Partick

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1864 KERR WILLIAM WILLIAMSON M 53 MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0298

Married to Catherine McBride - - Robert Kerr Joiner (Master) deceased Jane Kerr M.S. Williamson deceased
 
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Not saying it def is but with the name Marion appearing it could be


William Kerr



Age:

25



Estimated Birth Year:

abt 1816



Gender:

Male



Where born:

Lanarkshire, Scotland







Civil parish:

Govan



County:

Lanarkshire



Address:

Main Street No 69



Occupation:

Cot H W



Parish Number:

646



Household Members:




Name

Age



William Kerr

30



Kerr

50



William Kerr

25



Christina Kerr

22



Jane Kerr

14



Marion Kerr

10



Robert Cranford

14

and I have no idea why it has spaced itself like that.

Barbara
 

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Hello Barbara,

Curious spacing. :eek:

William married 1835 and I have him in 1841 & 1851.

I'm curious about this one:

Helen Kerr
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 03 Jun 1805
christening: 16 Jun 1805 ,​ OLD MONKLAND,​ LANARK,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1805 Old Monkland,​ Lanarkshire,​ Scotland
parents: Thomas Kerr,​ Helen Sneddan


I can't find a marriage yet for Thomas to Marion and I'm wondering if that is the same Thomas and 1st spouse. I have this marriage but I need Helen to be a sister of William for a James to be a nephew.

James HUTCHISON & Helen KERR
Marriage: 3 Nov 1822 Lanark, Lanark, Scotland

name: James Hutchison
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 13 Apr 1831
baptism/christening place: , LANARK, LANARK, SCOTLAND
birth date: 22 Mar 1831
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Hutchison
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Helen Kerr
mother's birthplace:

I'd better add the 1822 marriage to my list.
 

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The last one for Thomas & Helen seems to be Thomas in 1807. So to fit we need the 2nd marriage of Thomas to Marion between 1807 and 1810 (Isobel).

A marriage in Lanark in 1808 for a Thomas KERR to a Marion but using WARNOCK gives no hit.
 

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It may not matter. I can't find that James born 1831 anywhere in 1841. But 1851 is interesting:

Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: College Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 558 Page: 9 Schedule: 38
Address: 13 Muse Lane

Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HUTCHESON Helen Head W F 53 Winder Midlothian - Edinburgh
HUTCHESON James Son U M 17 Brass Founder Lanarkshire - Glasgow
HUTCHESON Helen Dau U F 26 Steam Loom Weaver Lanarkshire - Glasgow
MALCOLM Elizabeth Niece U F 2 Lanarkshire - Glasgow


Age for Helen does not fit with b. 1805. This may not be Helen KERR.

Can any of the four be found in 1861 and 1871?
 
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Pity both Ellens don't fit in age Dave but I thought you might want a look at this for what it's worth:-

1841 Piece:6441 Book/Folio:17 Page:12
Civil Parish:Lanark Municipal Borough:Glasgow
Address:45, New Vennal, New Vennal, Lanark, Glasgow County: Lanarkshire

MCQUADE, Francis 50 Hawker Ireland
MCQUADE, Margaret 13 Ireland
MCQUADE, Jean 11 Lanarkshire
MCQUADE, Agnes 6 Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Ellen 43 Laundress Scotland
HUTCHESON, Ellen 19 Cotton P L W Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, James 9 Lanarkshire
WILSON, Ellen 28 Lanarkshire
 

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This is likely James in 1861 newly widowed

1861 Piece:644 Folio:9 Page:16 Registration District:Tradeston
Civil Parish:Govan
Address:Centre Street, Govan County:Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, James Head Widower 27 Brassfounder born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Helen Daughter 3 born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Mary Daughter 1 month born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Elizabeth Servant 12 born Glasgow Lanarkshire
 

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Hello Woody,

Thanks. This is 2nd time around looking for James the nephew and I'm not sure we will make it this time either. :rolleyes:

Regards,

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James now remarried in 1871

Piece:644 Folio:28 Page:25 Registration District:Anderston
Civil Parish:Barony Municipal Borough:
Address:29, Greenhill Place, Barony County:Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, James Head Married 37 Brassfounder Finisher born Glasgow
Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Margaret Wife Married 35 Wife Of Brassfounder Finisher born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Helen Daughter 13 born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Mary Daughter 10 Scholar born Glasgow Lanarkshire HUTCHESON, James Son 7 Scholar born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, George Son 5 Scholar born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Andrew Son 1 no birthplace listed
 

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This is likely James in 1861 newly widowed

1861 Piece:644 Folio:9 Page:16 Registration District:Tradeston
Civil Parish:Govan
Address:Centre Street, Govan County:Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, James Head Widower 27 Brassfounder born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Helen Daughter 3 born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Mary Daughter 1 month born Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCHESON, Elizabeth Servant 12 born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Thanks Woody.

That's the one in post #5. Yes, he seemed the most likely but the problem we had first time around was finding a connection to KERR or COCHRAN(E).
 

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Thanks Woody.

So Greenhill place in 1871 and address in 1873 on death certificate if the same James was London road.

So now we have to ask is the connection via 1st or 2nd spouse?
 
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Oops - better head for the wally corner with Gibbo's daughter - I was looking for Kerr on James' side - or would that be right for THIS James - I'm losing the plot!! :rolleyes:
 

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What about this marriage -

01/11/1810 HUTCHISON JAMES MARION URQUHART OR MCCOUL FR2499 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 0530 0346
 

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Hello Barbara,

Curious spacing. :eek:

William married 1835 and I have him in 1841 & 1851.

I'm curious about this one:

Helen Kerr
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 03 Jun 1805
christening: 16 Jun 1805 ,​ OLD MONKLAND,​ LANARK,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1805 Old Monkland,​ Lanarkshire,​ Scotland
parents: Thomas Kerr,​ Helen Sneddan


I can't find a marriage yet for Thomas to Marion and I'm wondering if that is the same Thomas and 1st spouse. I have this marriage but I need Helen to be a sister of William for a James to be a nephew.

James HUTCHISON & Helen KERR
Marriage: 3 Nov 1822 Lanark, Lanark, Scotland

name: James Hutchison
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 13 Apr 1831
baptism/christening place: , LANARK, LANARK, SCOTLAND
birth date: 22 Mar 1831
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Hutchison
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Helen Kerr
mother's birthplace:

I'd better add the 1822 marriage to my list.
Surely this means we want Brassfounder James to have the maiden name Kerr ?? :confused:
 

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Woody, we have James in 1851 unmarried and in 1861 a widower. We don't actually have his spouse or her death, I presume very early in 1861.

Census on 7 April and daughter 1 month old.

I can't see a death with maiden name KERR or COCHRAN.
 
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Mary Hutchison
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birth: 22 May 1860 TRADESTON,​GLASGOW,​LANARK,​SCOTLAND
residence: 1860 Lana,​ Scotland
parents: James Hutchison,​ Mary Boyd

Helen Hutchison
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birth: 18 Mar 1858 TRADESTON,​GLASGOW,​LANARK,​SCOTLAND
residence: 1858 Lana,​ Scotland
parents: James Hutchison,​ Mary Boyd

If those are the two children in 1861 then I can't find a death for Mary in 1861.

That does not add up either. 22 May 1860 is not 1 month old in April 1861.

I can see no birth for a Mary HUTCHISON/HUTCHESON/HUTCHINSON in Lanark in 1861.


Ok 3 x Helen HUTCHISON died in Lanark in 1861 - not M.S. KERR, COCHRAN(E) or MALCOLM. All 3 are too young. One aged 47 and the others under 40.
 
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