William MALCOLM & Janet CARMICHAEL

[DaveHam9]

31/07/1852 MALCOLM WILLIAM - JANET CARMICHAEL/FR1264 (FR1264) 573/3 50 444 Paisley Burgh or Low
Page 444 of 453
Running No. 56 July 31 27 Baker L.P. 5 Stow Street Janet Carmichael 27 Abbey P. 8 ... Street III Days of Proclamation Aug 1 8 15 Fees - 1 -

groom's name: William Malcolm
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 27
bride's name: Janet Carmichael
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 27
marriage: 31 Jul 1852 ? Low Church Paisley, Renfrew
Batch: M119625

Neither were at the same address in 1851 census.

The name of the minister and the date of marriage not in the right-hand column.

Looking for Janet's street name, thanks.

Dave

 

[emeltee]

It looks as though it begins La.. Could it be Lawn or Laws Street?

Emeltee

 

[emeltee]

Looking at a map of Paisley there is a Lawn Street, next to Sik Street and Gauze Street, near St Mirin's RC Cathedral and the present day A726.

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

Lawn it looks to be.

... old Abbey of Paisley which is still used as the parish church for Abbey parish. ... which ran from the N transept along the line of Lawn Street to the Wall Neuk ...

Wish tracing the Carmichael nieces was as easy.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Rather curious. There are only four marriage dates with the minister's name in the right-hand column.

Two examples in the image below.

II Proclamations 27 June & 4 July paid 4/- and married on 5 July

III Proclamations 4 11 18 July paid 1/- and married on 23 July

No such entry for William and Janet.

31 July is in the column headed date of entry in the running sequence in the register.

I don't see how 31 July can be the date of marriage. Has to be after the last proclamation.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

1851
Piece: SCT1851/602 Place: Ayr -Ayrshire ED: 3
Civil Parish: Largs Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Largs
Folio: 0 Page: 3 Schedule: 7
Address: Main St Langs Land
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GRAHAM Robert Head Mar M 44 House Painter Lanarkshire - Glasgow
GRAHAM Margt Wife Mar F 49 Ayrshire - Largs
JAMIESON Margt G Niece F 15 Assistant Teacher Ayrshire - Largs
CARMICHAEL Janet Servnt U F 22 House Servant Ayrshire - Largs


Age has to be wrong there. Janet was 27 in 1852 and 91 in 1917.

 

[Ellie7]

William
Last name Malcolm
Age 27
Marriage year 1852
Marriage date 31 Jul 1852
Marriage place Low Church,Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) Janet
Spouse's last name Carmichael
Spouse's age 27
Spouse's birth date 1825
Place Paisley
County Renfrewshire
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Marriages 1561-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

 

[Ellie7]

1871 Census
72, Canal Street, High Church Paisley, High Church Parish, Renfrewshire, Scotland


John Malcolm Head Married Male 55 1816 Harnish Shwl Weaver Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland Transcription
Janet Malcolm Wife Married Female 55 1816 - Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland Transcription
John Malcolm Son Unmarried Male 19 1852 Plasterer Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland Transcription
William Malcolm Son - Male 16 1855 Plasterer Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland Transcription
Fendley Malcolm Son - Male 12 1859 Scholar Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland Transcription
Alexander Raney Boarder Unmarried Male 19 1852 Dyer Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

I can't claim all Malcolms but not sure if that family belongs.

This is a puzzle I'm working on. How does Margaret fit in? Daughter of one of Janet's brothers, but which one?

1871
Registration No: 575
Registration District: Renfrew
Civil Parish: Renfrew
Town: Renfrew
County: Renfrewshire
Roll: CSSCT1871_104
ED: 5
Schedule No: 103
Address: 4 Hairst St
MALCOLM William Head Mar M 45 Baker-Master Employing 1 Man Largs Ayrshire
CARMICHAEL Janet Wife Mar F 45 Largs Ayrshire
HILL John M Nephew Unm M 21 Railway Clerk Largs Ayrshire
CARMICHAEL Margaret Niece Unm F 18 Shopkeeper Paisley Renfrewshire

Also Catherine & Marion. Don't know if the three are sisters or cousins.

1861
Piece 575 Folio 0 Page 16
Registration District: Renfrew (Burgh)
Civil Parish: Renfrew
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Hairst St
MALCOLM William Head Mar M 34 Baker Largs Ayrshire
MALCOLM Janet Wife Mar F 34 Baker Largs Ayrshire
CARMICHAEL Catherine Servant F 15 Servant Paisley Renfrewshire
CARMICHAEL Margaret Niece F 8 Scholar Paisley Renfrewshire
CARMICHAEL Marion Niece F 6 Paisley Renfrewshire


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

5x Carmichael brothers - James, William, Stephen, John & Peter.

Marion b.30 Apr 1855
Birthplace ABBEY PAISLEY, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
James Carmichael & Helen Wood
Batch: C115591

CARMICHAEL
MARION
F
1855
559/1 169
Abbey Burgh

 

[DaveHam9]

1841
Piece: SCT1841/602 Place: Largs -Ayrshire ED: 3
Civil Parish: Largs Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Largs
Folio: 2 Page: 30
Address: New Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CARMICHAEL James M 20 Cotton Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
CARMICHAEL William M 18 Outside Census County (1841)
CARMICHAEL Janet F 17 Ayrshire
CARMICHAEL Stephen M 15 Ayrshire
CARMICHAEL John M 12 Ayrshire
CARMICHAEL Margaret F 11 Ayrshire
CARMICHAEL Ann F 8 Ayrshire
CARMICHAEL Peter M 2 Ayrshire


Can't find a birth/baptism for Catherine or Margaret. (Not the Margaret in this census)

The youngest of the five Peter is an orphan in 1851.

 

[DaveHam9]

James Carmichael
Spouse's Name Helen Wood
Event Date 22 Nov 1845
Event Place Largs, Ayr

So far can't find James & Helen in 1851.

Can't find Catherine/Cathrin Carmichael b. abt 1846 Paisley in 1851.

Only one in 1851 age 1 dau of a John born Argyll which does not fit for John brother of Janet & James & Peter.

 

[Ellie7]

there is no bapts for Janet Carmichael c1825.


ellie

 

[Ellie7]

There is no deaths for a Malcolm with mother Carmichael in Scotland in SP


ellie

 

[Ellie7]

could that be a second marr.?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Elderslie, 58, Abbey, Renfrewshire, Scotland

Robert Carmichael Head Married Male 28 1823 Hand Loom Weaver Abbey, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Janet Carmichael Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Abbey, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Janet Carmichael Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1848 - Abbey, Renfrewshire, Scotland
James Carmichael Son Unmarried Male 2 1849 - Abbey, Renfrewshire, Scotland

no have Robert in 1871

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

No birth/bapt for Janet Carmichael or William Malcolm abt 1825 Largs.

No sign of Catherine Carmichael 15 in 1861 in 1851.

No sign of James & Helen in 1851 but dau Marion was born 1855.

We know Janet's father was Peter senior.

We don't know the parents of Catherine or Margaret.


Death 1917 MALCOLM Janet (CARMICHAEL) Campbeltown, Argyll Age 91 507/00 0021

Page 7
1917 DEATHS in the District of Campbeltown in the County of Argyll
No. 21 - Janet Malcolm Widow of William Malcolm Baker (Foreman) - 1917 February Nineteenth 11h 0m P.M. 1 Big Kiln Campbeltown - F - 91 years - Peter Carmichael Weaver (deceased) Catherine Carmichael M.S. Paterson (deceased) - Senile Decay As certified by Francis Taylor M.B. & C.M. - Alex S. Carmichael Nephew 16 Stanley Street Craigton Govan Glasgow - 1917 February 21st At Campbeltown Neil McCallum Registrar

I just noticed we have one more. A nephew Alex S.

Dave

 

[emeltee]

Only birth I can see which is the right time period for Janet is

Janet Carmichael 29 December 1824 Old or West Greenock parents Michael Carmichael and Catherine McKenzie

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

Parents here.

09/10/1818 CARMICHAEL PETER - CATHARINE PATERSON /FR664 (FR664) M GORBALS GLASGOW CITY /LANARK 644/02 0030 0197


Curious the 5th not the 3rd son was named Peter.

Also 3rd daughter was Ann not Catherine.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Here is the nephew Alex S.

Alexander Shedden Carmichael
Gender Male
Birth Date 03 Dec 1881
Birthplace Partick, Lanark
Father's Name Peter Carmichael
Mother's Name Jane Shedden Carmichael

Peter CARMICHAEL & Jane SHEDDAN
8 Nov 1864 Renfrew, Renfreshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Can't find Helen as Wood or Carmichael in 1851 with or without James.

They are the parents of Marion and James is the eldest of the 5 and they married in 1845 so they are probably the parents of Catherine abt 1846 and Margaret abt 1853.

Dave