William McCREDIE & Margaret LATIMER

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

NSW marriage 450/1867 McCREDIE WILLIAM - LATIMER MARGARET - SYDNEY

Can't find a marriage notice in TROVE. Can't find a tree.

I'm having a hard time finding anything on either of those.

Can't find anything in TROVE yet that helps.

Middle name of a daughter might be a clue I should have posted on Scottish board.

NSW birth 462/1870 McCREDIE JANET McALPINE - WILLIAM - MARGARET - SYDNEY

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tuesday 3 April 1894 p.1
Marriages.
PENFOLD - MACREDIE.-March 6, 1894, at St. Stephen's Church, Sydney, by the Rev. T. E. Coulston, assisted by the Rev. George Campbell, William Clark, eldest son of E. T. Penfold, Burwood, to Jean, second daughter of the late William Macredie, Ultimo.

Yes, Janet is Jean. Even more reason this should be on the Scottish board.

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

William and Janet Penfold and children are on the incoming passenger list to the UK 27 Mar 1923 - c/o Australian Bank of Commerce London.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

I had no idea. Fills a gap between E/Rs.

1913 NSW Electoral Roll - RYDE - TURRAMURRA POLLING-PLACE
710 PENFOLD Jean, Kuringai-avenue, domestic duties
711 PENFOLD William Clarke, Kuringai-avenue, stationer



1930 NSW Electoral Roll - Martin - Turramurra
PENFOLD William Clarke, Kuring-gai Chase av., stationer
PENFOLD Jean Macalpine, Kuring-gai avenue, Turramurra, home duties

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

There is something Irish about this one. :biggrin:

 

[horse]

I looked at this one yesterday and noticed there are a number of possibilities here..

I followed one who appears to a seaman/cook
New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: William McCredie
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Age: 31
Port of Departure: Melbourne, Victoria
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 10 Aug 1860
Vessel Name: London
Origin Location: British
On the original it says he is a cook (2nd/3rd)

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Wm McRedie
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Age: 38
Port of Departure: Brisbane
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 18 Jul 1870
Vessel Name: City Of Brisbane
Origin Location: Scotland
Original says he is a Chief Cook

He appears to be sailing up and down the east coast (local shipping), most of the origins appear to be Scotland/Glasgow.

This looks interesting..
New South Wales, Australia, Immigration Deposit Journals, 1853-1900
Name: Margaret Latimer
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1841
Place of Origin: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship: Hornet
Sponsor Name: Thomas Mccredie
Deposit Date: 18 May 1864
Immigration Group:
Name
Arthur Latimer [60, cabinet maker]
Margaret Latimer [Milliner]
Donald Mcnicol [31, Joiner]
Hannah Mcnicol [28, wife]
Margaret Mcnicol [4 1/2, child]
Arthur L Mccredie [10, son of Dexxxx]
Brackets indicate taken from original.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Just to muddy the waters there is this with Irish connections..

New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
Name: Margaret Latimer
Birth Year: abt 1842
Age: 23
Arrival Date: 25 Jan 1865
Vessel Name: Hornet
Origin Location: Belfast, Ireland

On the original it appears to be the same family

Must be some sort of transcription problem.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Thank you very much.

It's slowly coming together.

Margaret arrived with her father, Arthur. Marriage in NSW:

450/1867 McCREDIE WILLIAM - LATIMER MARGARET - SYDNEY

Death 12965/1909 MACREDIE MARGARET L - ARTHUR - MARGARET - CHATSWOOD

MACREDIE Margaret Latimer Death notice 16DEC1909 Death 69 late of Turramurra SMH 17DEC1909


William b. 1833 Co Down, Ireland

Death 2471/1882 McCREDIE WILLIAM - ROBERT - JANET - SYDNEY


Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 27 December 1882 p.1
Deaths.
McCREDIE.-December 26, at his residence, William Henry-street, Ultimo, William McCredie, of the firm McCredie Brothers, aged 49 years.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 28 December 1882 p.14
Funerals.
THE FUNERAL of the late WILLIAM McCREDIE, Builder, will move from his residence, William Henry-street, Ultimo, at 2.30 p.m., on THURSDAY, 28th instant, to the Balmain Cemetery.
J. and G. Shying & CO., Undertakers.


I think Thomas and William are second cousins.

Death 383/1907 McCREDIE THOMAS - WILLIAM - ? [Elizabeth] - ANNANDALE


It seems Thomas sponsored the families that included William's future spouse.

 

[DaveHam9]

Robert McCREDIE & Janet

Children included:

William b. 1800 - married Elizabeth

---- son Thomas b. 1831 Co Down

Robert b. 1801 - married Janet McALPIN(E)

---- son William b. 1833 Co Down


I don't know if William was originally a merchant seaman and later became a builder.

Thomas looks to have arrived first. He married in NSW in 1856:

5/1856 McCREDIE THOMAS - SMEALS [SMAILS] JESSIE - SYDNEY

 

[DaveHam9]

First marriage for Thomas 4 Mar 1852 in Gorbals, Glasgow, Lanark to a Mary Anne LATIMER

Arthur Latimer MCCREDIE b. 24 Jun 1853 in Glasgow, Lanark

A tree has a death for Mary Anne in 1853. I can't find her death in NSW.

If the tree is correct Thomas arrived 1853 - 1856.

Mary Ann's parents Arthur & Margaret.

So 2nd cousins married sisters.

 

[horse]

Sands, 1863 has:
Thomas, Joiner, 70 Alfred St, Pyrmont
William, Mariner, 2 Paton's Buildings, Kent St

Also:
John, Mason, 1 Alfred St, Pyrmont
Robert, Stone Carver, 2 Alfred St, Pyrmont

By 1870 William was a builder, 81 Bowman St

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff,

Still can't find when Thomas arrived.

Dave

 

[horse]

Have you got details of William & Thomas' birth?

 

[DaveHam9]

I have not looked yet to see if any site can confirm what the tree has.

I've been going through all the convict originals I downloaded. I'm having trouble finding a convict on the page of each that is one of mine.

 

[horse]

Possibly take a break from this and have a look, have you got it on a thread?

 

[DaveHam9]

I tried to do the convicts in order in several topics here but I don't actually have a written list of them. That's the next thing to do.

 

[DaveHam9]

Nothing on FS.

Trying - HERE

 

[horse]

No, I think they moved to Scotland before NSW

 

[DaveHam9]

:2fun:

I thought it was Scotland - Ireland - NSW

I'm looking for these:

Robert McCREDIE & Janet m. 3 Jun 1825 St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian

Children included:

William b. 1800 - married Elizabeth CURRAGEN m. 2 Jan 1825 Wigtown, Wigtownshire

---- son Thomas b. 1831 Co Down

Robert b. 1801 - married Janet McALPIN(E)

---- son William b. 1833 Co Down


The tree does not have pob for William 1800 or Robert 1801.

 

[horse]

Yep, Sorry, I was starting from William and Edit Thomas... :biggrin:

Edit: Not forgetting the Scottish/Irish confusion over travel to NSW