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William PENFOLD & Sarah ?

DaveHam9

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Two possible

Sarah
christening: 13 Mar 1774 Coulsdon, Surrey
William Gilbert & Anne

Sarah
christening: 30 Jan 1774 Morden, Surrey
William Gilbert & Mary

William Penfold
Spouse: Sarah Gilbert
Record Type: Marriage by Licence
Event Date: 8 Aug 1801
Parish: Westminster St. Martin in the Fields
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Baptised at Tooting Graveney, Surrey to William PENFOLD & Sarah:

James b. 30 Jul 1801 c. 30 Aug 1801
Margaret b. 3 May 1804 c. 3 Jun 1804
Mary Ann b. 10 Sep 1806 c. 5 Oct 1806
Hester b. 29 Jul 1811 c. 18 Aug 1811 death: 3 Jul 1816
Hannah b. ? c. 14 May 1815

William b. abt 1799 - no baptism found so far

The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 21 Oct 1861 p.11
DEATHS
PENFOLD.-August 18th, at his residence, Lower Tooting, Surrey, England, in the 61st year of his age, Mr. William Penfold, father of Mr. E. T. Penfold.

Sarah 1851 b. Streatham and 1861 b. Mitcham

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wed 18 Dec 1861 p.1
DEATHS
On the 28th September, at her residence, Lower Tooting, Surrey, England, Mrs. Sarah Penfold, in her 91st year. Grandmother of Mr. E. T. Penfold, George street.

Thanks,

Dave
 
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Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

Something is not right.

1861
RG9 Piece 376 Folio 98 Page 25
Civil Parish: Tooting Graveney
County: Surrey
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-RD: Streatham
ED: 13
No of Schedule:
Address: Mitcham Rd
PENFOLD William Head Mar 62 Tailor and Grocer Tooting Surrey
PENFOLD Elizabeth Wife Mar 64 Chertsey Surrey

Probate to son not wife ?

PENFOLD William. 18 September. Letters of Administration of the Personal estate and effects of William Penfold late of Lower Tooting in the County of Surrey Tailor and Grocer deceased who died 18 August 1861 at Lower Tooting aforesaid were granted at the Principal Registry to William Frederick Penfold of Tooting in the said County Carpenter one of the Children of the said Deceased he having been first sworn. Effects under £1,500.

??
1871
RG10 Piece 718 Folio 67 Page 7
Civil Parish: Tooting Graveney
County: Surrey
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-RD: Streatham
ED: 17
No of Schedule: 42
Address: High St
PENFOLD Elizabeth Wife Mar? 74 Chertsey Surrey
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

Looking at the 1871 Census for Elizabeth it definitely states W for widow on the image.
Other than that not 1005 sure what your query is.

Emeltee
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

Thanks Emeltee.

Three queries.

The transcription of 1871 I was given was wrong. Elizabeth was a widow.

A baptism for William Penfold abt 1799.

Trying to sort out which Sarah Gilbert married William in 1801.

Sarah 1851 b. Streatham and 1861 b. Mitcham

Dave
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

Trying to sort out which Sarah Gilbert married William in 1801.

Sarah 1851 b. Streatham and 1861 b. Mitcham

The Sarah Gilbert [there are a few] who married in 1801 looks to have emigrated [with husband] to Madeira, Portugal. [Corrected text]

Williams parents look to be William P and Sarah Marchant m. 1795.

Still no bap. for William 1799, though his parents can be found in 1841 with sibling, Mary.. William Sr. occ = carpenter...

Streatham and Mitcham whilst in different RD's are only 3-4 miles apart...

Geoff
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

I am lost with this Geoff.

This is the right family

1841
HO107 Piece/Book 1068/5 Folio 41 Page 14
Civil Parish: Tooting Graveney
Hundred: Brixton (Western Division)
County: Surrey
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-RD:
ED: 15
Address:
William Penfold 40 Tailor Y
Elizabeth 40 Y
Edwin 13 Y

but is this the right marriage?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: William Penfold
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Smith
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 23 Apr 1827
Parish: St. Botolph Aldgate
County: London
Borough: City of London

Dave
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

If that is the right marriage then I have the wrong marriage for William's parents ??
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

If that is the right marriage then I have the wrong marriage for William's parents ??

Looks to be the correct marriage, checked with trees.. one doesn't know his spouse, another agrees with 1827.. another has 1810 :rolleyes:

Wouldn't be 100% of any..

Geoff
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

Ok, thanks Geoff.

Edwin Thomas c. 1 Jun 1828 Tooting Graveney, Surrey
William PENFOLD & Elizabeth
Batch: C056081

William Frederick c. 6 Jul 1834 Tooting Graveney, Surrey

William senior is a tailor in 1841 census.

Dave
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

William Frederick c. 6 Jul 1834 Tooting Graveney, Surrey

William senior is a tailor in 1841 census.

Oh! I'll just check, Sr. should be a carpenter, was at a bap and in 1841, also name in 1841 wrongly transcribed.. You may need to double-check mine..

Geoff
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

There is a tree that has William Sr. as William Frederick..

Possible..
1841
Parish: Tooting Graveney
RD: Wandsworth
Sub-RD: Streatham
ED: 13; Piece: 1068; Book: 5; Folio: 10; Page: 15

William Ronfold 75 [Carpenter]
Sarah Ronfold 69 wife
Mary Ronfold 30 dau
Sarah Stane 21 FS
[All BiC]

Geoff
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

5 generations of William.

1827 marriage - any occ for William? - father and father's occ not there ?

William born abt 1799 - parents William & Sarah * but is it Gilbert?

Deaths Jun 1849 Penfold William [83] Wandsworth &c 4 427

Deaths Dec 1861 Penfold Sarah [90] Wandsworth 1d 313

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wed 18 Dec 1861 p.1
DEATHS
On the 28th September, at her residence, Lower Tooting, Surrey, England, Mrs. Sarah Penfold, in her 91st year. Grandmother of Mr. E. T. Penfold, George street.

No Probate record found.

Dave
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

William who d. 1861 and Sarah d. 1861 possibly mother, both on same burial page [different dates]..

Will send details..

Geoff
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

William born abt 1799 - parents William & Sarah * but is it Gilbert?

Still can't say for definite which Sarah married, or if we have the correct William Sr. in 1841...

If they married in 1795 William not b. til 1799, possibly a Sarah b. 1798, but no proof for either.. Which leaves 1801, but there appears to be a good case for that family going to Portugal, looks to be a diplomat or similar..

Geoff
 
Re: Sarah GILBERT & William PENFOLD

Not transcribed as Dyer but I'm sure it should be

1861
RG9 Piece 376 Folio 74 Page 16
Civil Parish: Tooting
County: Surrey
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-RD: Streatham
ED: 12
Address: Sooting ? Dairy, High St
Sarah Penfold Head Widow 89 ... Laundry Mitcham Surrey
Ann Dyer Niece Mar 62 Laundress Surrey

I have Ann in 1871 and 1881 but not earlier than 1861 so have not yet found how she fits.

Dave
 
Possible 1851
County: Surrey
RD: Wandsworth
Sub-RD: Putney
ED: 1d; Piece: 1579; Folio: 255; Page: 12

James Dyer 61 [b. Weston, Hampshire. Labourer]
Ann Dyer 51 wife [b. Tooting]
John Dyer 25 son
Jane Brishop 21 dau
James Brishop 19 s-i-l
Sarah Brishop 14
Elizabeth Brishop 11
Joseph Brishop 8

Geoff
 
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