William PYNE

[DaveHam9]

1851
HO107 Piece 1514 Folio 259 Page 5
Civil Parish: Saint Andrew Holborn Above Bars
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Holborn
Sub-RD: St Andrew Eastern
ED: 1h
No of Schedule: 22
Address: Leather Lane
Charles Pyne Head Mar 48 Last Maker Exeter Devonshire
Mary Pyne Wife Mar 36 Diss Suffolk
Maria Pyne Dau 9 Scholar St Andrew Middlesex
William Pyne Son 6 Scholar St Andrew Middlesex
Samuel Pyne Son 3 St Andrew Middlesex
Susan Pyne Dau 10mo St Andrew Middlesex

Looking for William and the family in 1861.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[solidrock2]

Can't find any in 1861 but William was William Thomas Pyne...

PYNE, WILLIAM THOMAS mmn GURNHAM GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in THE HOLBORN UNION Volume 02 Page 120
I don't think Charles's age is correct in the '51, he married in 1838.
Charles PyneAge: 18Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
There is a death for Charles in 1867, boarding house keeper and licensed victualler of Fetter Lane. Probate swaorn by William Thomas Pyne , son, of 69. Grays Inn Road.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imagevie....1605160204-1048350366.1597289529&pId=1090645

 

[gibbo]

1851
HO107 Piece 1514 Folio 259 Page 5
Civil Parish: Saint Andrew Holborn Above Bars
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Holborn
Sub-RD: St Andrew Eastern
ED: 1h
No of Schedule: 22
Address: Leather Lane
Charles Pyne Head Mar 48 Last Maker Exeter Devonshire
Mary Pyne Wife Mar 36 Diss Suffolk
Maria Pyne Dau 9 Scholar St Andrew Middlesex
William Pyne Son 6 Scholar St Andrew Middlesex
Samuel Pyne Son 3 St Andrew Middlesex
Susan Pyne Dau 10mo St Andrew Middlesex

I was trying to find them in 1861 by using Susan and had no luck but i'm going to check Susan's birth as you have her as been 10 mo and yet i found her as been 10 and a scholar


1851 uk census
Event Place: Saint Andrew Holborn Above Bars, Middlesex, England
Name: Susan Pyne
Gender: Female
Age: 10
Birth Year (Estimated): 1841
Birthplace: St Andrew, Middlesex
Occupation: Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Page Number: 5
Piece/Folio: 1514 / 259
Registration Number: HO107
Affiliate Image Identifier:
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1851/4303528/00518&parentid=GBC/1851/0003898469
Affiliate Record Type: Household
Charles Pyne Head Male 48 Exeter, Devonshire
Mary Pyne Wife Female 36 Diss, Suffolk
Maria Pyne Daughter Female 9 St Andrew, Middlesex
William Pyne Son Male 6 St Andrew, Middlesex
Samuel Pyne Son Male 3 St Andrew, Middlesex
Susan Pyne Daughter Female 10 St Andrew, Middlesex

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Keith.

I didn't have a death for Charles. Or Mary.

William Thomas is correct.

Marriages Jun Qtr 1865 W. London 1c 85
PYNE William Thomas & BOWDEN Jane

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Something wrong somewhere.

 

[gibbo]

Thanks gibbo.

Something wrong somewhere.

Silly FS by the looks, found this in GRO

PYNE, SUSAN GARNHAM GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in OF HOLBORN Volume 02 Page 159

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

 

[solidrock2]

White Horse, 90 Fetter lane, Holborn EC4

May 1862/Charles Pyne/Incoming Licensee

 

[DaveHam9]

PYNE, CHARLES 54
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in WEST LONDON Volume 01C Page 34

??
PYNE, MARY 52
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in WEST LONDON Volume 01C Page 41

 

[solidrock2]

PYNE, CHARLES 54
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in WEST LONDON Volume 01C Page 34

??
PYNE, MARY 52
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in WEST LONDON Volume 01C Page 41

Mary sounds about right as she is not in his will.

 

[gibbo]

PYNE, CHARLES 54
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in WEST LONDON Volume 01C Page 34

??
PYNE, MARY 52
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in WEST LONDON Volume 01C Page 41

In the 1851 census Charles and Mary are about 12 years apart in age, going by those deaths they were would have been around 2 years apart.

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, something not right with ages.

Something not right here too. Henry didn't die before 1871.

Births Jun 1869 PYNE Henry Arthur - W. London 1c 37 mmn BOWDEN

1871
RG10 Piece 425 Folio 46 Page 4
Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn Below the Bars
Eccl. parish: St Andrew Holborn City Liberty
County: London
Registration District: London City
Sub-RD: St Brides
ED: 2
No of Schedule: 22
Address: 88-90 Fetter Lane, The White Horse Tavern & Mechanics Lodging House
Willm. T Pyne Head Mar 26 Licensed Vitualler London City
Jane Pyne Wife Mar 28 London City
William C Pyne Son 4 London City
Ernest A Pyne Son 7mo London City
Amelia Partridge Servant Unm 19 General Servant Domestic St Pancras
George C Pyne Brother Unm 18 Surgical Instrument Maker (Appren) London City

 

[DaveHam9]

PYNE, ERNEST ALFRED - BOWDEN
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 30

 

[DaveHam9]

Charles Pyne
Marriage: 16 Jul 1838
St Andrew Holborn Below the Bars, London, England
Marital Status: Single
Father: William Pyne
Spouse: Mary Garnham
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Father: Thomas Garnham
Record Number: 96
GS Film 374372
Batch M013734

I don't have them in 1841.

 

[DaveHam9]

Charles Pyne
Christening: 15 Feb 1813
Event Place: Saint Edmunds, Exeter, Devon, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: William Pyne
Mother's Name: Prudence
GS Film Number 917098
Batch C050921

Age is wrong as Keith said in 1851.

No baptism found for Mary yet.

 

[gibbo]

Age is wrong as Keith said in 1851.

I think there are a lot of errors in that 1851 census

Maria is actually Mary Ann
PYNE, MARY ANN GAURNUM
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in HOLBORN UNION Volume 02 Page 120

Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 12 Dec 1841
Event Place: St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars with St George the Martyr, Holborn, London, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Saint Andrew, Holborn, London, England
Name: Mary Ann Pyne
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1841
Father's Name: Charles Pyne
Mother's Name: Mary
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 4 Aug 1844
Event Place: St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars with St George the Martyr, Holborn, London, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Saint Andrew, Holborn, London, England
Name: William Thomas Pyne
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1844
Father's Name: Charles Pyne
Mother's Name: Mary
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 4 Mar 1855
Event Place: St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars with St George the Martyr, Holborn, London, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Saint Andrew, Holborn, London, England
Name: Samuel Purchase Pyne
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1847
Father's Name: Charles Pyne
Mother's Name: Mary
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 4 Mar 1855
Event Place: St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars with St George the Martyr, Holborn, London, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Saint Andrew, Holborn, London, England
Name: Susan Pyne
Birth Date: 11 Jun 1850
Father's Name: Charles Pyne
Mother's Name: Mary

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find a baptism for Mary in Suffolk.


Probate
PYNE William Thomas. 4 November. The Will of William Thomas Pyne formerly of Gray's-Inn-road but late of 90 Fetter-lane Holborn both in the County of Middlesex who died 4 October 1881 at 90 Fetter-lane was proved at the Principal Registry by Jane Pyne of 90 Fetter-lane Widow the Relict the sole Executrix. Personal Estate £982.

 

[gibbo]

George C Pyne Brother Unm 18 Surgical Instrument Maker (Appren) London City

PYNE, GEORGE CHARLES GARNHAM GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in OF HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 393

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

So George C should be in 1861 census.

 

[gibbo]

Thanks gibbo.

So George C should be in 1861 census.

Should be but like the others i can't find him. Is it possible this family had left the UK for a few years??