William Russell RILEY

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

The Sydney Morning Herald - Monday 28 August 1905 p.6
GOLDEN WEDDINGS
RILEY - McGEORGE.-August 28, 1855, in St. Saviour's Church, Goulburn, by the Rev. W. Sowerby, William Russell Riley, only son of James Riley, to Mary Ann Isabel McGeorge, eldest daughter of John McGeorge, both of Goulburn.

Death 9257/1910 RILEY WILLIAM R - JAMES - MARY A - GOULBURN

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 20 August 1910 p.12
DEATHS
RILEY.-August 11, 1910, at his residence Heraldene, Bradley-street, Goulburn, William Russell Riley, aged 81 years.


James Riley
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 22 Feb 1819 Old Church,​Saint Pancras,​London,​England
spouse: Mary Russell


name: William Riley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Apr 1829
baptism/christening place: OLD CHURCH,SAINT PANCRAS,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 10 Jan 1829
birthplace:
death date: 04 Jul 1830 ??
name note:
race:
father's name: James Riley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C04793-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 597808, 598162, 598163, 598164
reference number:

What have I missed?

The family left England in 1837.

Possible deaths:

3831/1860 RILEY MARY A - JOHN R DIED GOULBURN GOULBURN

3611/1871 RILEY JAMES AGE 71 YEARS DIED GOULBURN GOULBURN

Regards,

Dave

 

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Hi there - found your message while searching and joined up, I'm a newbie but...

I think I can help if you are still looking - William Russell Riley married my First Cousin, 4 times Removed Mary Ann Isabel McGeorge. Here is a detailed obituary from the Goulburn Evening Penny Post 21 Dec 1915 - I am much interested in Goulburn goings on... Isabel's Mother was a daughter of Richard Teece (my 5th GGF) both he and John McGeorge were with the NSW Veterans Corps - I know more too if you are interested

OBITUARY. Mrs. Isabel Riley, relict of the late Mr. William Russell Riley, formerly proprietor of the Goulburn "Herald," died at her late residence, "Heraldene," Bradley-street, at twenty minutes past one on Saturday afternoon from senile de bility. The deceased lady, who was 81 years of age, was the oldest daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. John McGeorge, and was born at Veterans' Flat, a few miles from Goulburn, on August 16, 1834. She was married in St. Saviour's Church of England by the Rev. W. Sowerby in 1855 and had resided in Goulburn all her life. Her husband pre-deceased her over five years. She leaves five children--Frank, of the Lands Titles Office, Sydney, Mrs. C. W. Furner, Alfred (editor of the Goulburn "Herald"), and Florence and Lilian, residing at home. The funeral took place on Sunday after noon, the body being interred in the Methodist Old Cemetery. The late Mrs. Riley was a woman of fine character and was held in affectionate regard by all who knew her. As indicative of her disposition it may be mentioned that one of her rules of life was to do at least one kind deed every day.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to FHUK


My interest is the connection via FURNER (grandmother).

I'll look to see if I have any queries.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

This one has always puzzled me:

name: William Riley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Apr 1829
baptism/christening place: OLD CHURCH,SAINT PANCRAS,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 10 Jan 1829
birthplace:
death date: 4 Jul 1830 ??
name note:
race:
father's name: James Riley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C04793-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 597808, 598162, 598163, 598164
reference number:

It's an extracted record meaning it's taken from the original parish records and not a user submitted unverified record.


James Riley
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 22 Feb 1819 Old Church,​ Saint Pancras,​ London,​ England
spouse: Mary Russell

 

[DaveHam9]

Another query.

St Saviour Goulburn County of Argyle Page 20
No 374
William Russell Riley otp Bachelor
Mary Ann Isabel MacGeorge otp Spinster
married in Church by License
Twenty Eighth August 1855 By me William Sowerby
Both signed
Witnesses: Sarah McGeorge, T. ? McGeorge, both of Goulburn

I can't find Sarah as one of the daughters of John & Susan. I also can't find any with first initial T.

 

[DaveHam9]

Is this the wrong one?

V1833846 19/1833 McGEORGE MARY A - JOHN - SUSAN

Death has parents as John & Mary?

The obituary says born 16 Aug 1834.

 

[DaveHam9]

Goulburn Old General Cemetery
191 RILEY M. A. Isabel WM79 18 December 1915, 80y. Wife of William Russell Riley
190 RILEY William Russell WM79 11 August 1910, 81y. Died at Heraldene, Goulburn, Husband of M. A. Isabel R.

 

[DaveHam9]

Now I am really confused. None of the dates agree:

V1833846 19/1833 MCGEORGE MARY A JOHN SUSAN ** 1834
V1835288 19/1835 MCGEORGE MATILDA JOHN SUSAN
V18421472 26A/1842 MCGEORGE ROSAMOND JOHN SUSAN ** 1847
V18461814 31A/1846 MCGEORGE MARGARET JOHN SUSAN
V18531836 56/1853 MCGEORGE ANDREW JOHN SUSAN ** 1855

Where is son John?

Why Susan and not Mary?

Someone must be using the year of baptism as the year of birth.

They are all on film at the library so birth and baptism dates can be checked.

 

[DaveHam9]

gibbo - help :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Visited the library today and managed to look this one up in the 90 minutes I had on the film viewer.

No idea why the index has Susan because the record clearly has mother as Mary.

Bap V1833846 19/1833 McGEORGE MARY A - JOHN - SUSAN ?

Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of - in the County of Camden and Argyle in the Year 1835
No 20 When Baptised: Jan 7 1835 When Born: Aug 17 1833 Mary Ann - John and Mary McGeorge Abode: Goulburn Plains Quality or Profession: Shoemaker By whom the Ceremony was performed: Jno. Vincent

 

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I have the children of John and Mary in my tree on Ancestry as:
Mary Ann Isabel McGeorge 1837 – 1915
Sarah McGeorge 1842 – 1918
John McGeorge 1845 – 1923
Rosamond McGeorge 1847 – 1896
Andrew McGeorge 1855 – 1916

I also have a photo of Mary's (Sr) tombstone that I took in Goulburn (it also in the stone for Rosamond and John Jr)

The 1835 - 1837 difference is odd for Mary Ann

 

[DaveHam9]

It is a bit confusing in that the year in the index is not always the correct year of birth. However, the record for Mary Ann is clear and easy to read so it seems she was born in 1833 and baptised in 1835.

Next time I'm at the library I'll try to get the baptisms of the others.

This is the only burial record 1835-1838 so there does not seem to be a 2nd daughter named Mary Ann born 1837 following a death of the one born 1833.

V18351832 19/1835 MC GEORGE MATILDA INFANT


This is another puzzle I've not solved:

Witnesses: Sarah McGeorge, T. ? McGeorge, both of Goulburn

That marriage record is not easy to read so I'll have to have another look at it to see if I change my mind about it being 'Sarah' and 'T.' or something else.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

The marriage record from a different film:

Page 22
Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St. Saviour in the County of Argyle in the Year 1855
No. 374
William Russell Riley of this Parish Bachelor
Mary Ann Isabel MacGeorge of this Parish Spinster
married in this Church by License with consent of -
Twenty Eighth August 1855 By me William Sowerby
Both signed [W. R. Riley] [ M. A. I. McGeorge]
Witnesses: Sarah McGeorge of Goulburn, Jn. McGeorge of Goulburn

So who is that Sarah?

I can't find a reg for daughter Sarah around 1842. If that's the one then a witness to marriage at age 13. ???

Sarah was not 13 in 1855:

Name: Sarah Mcgeorge
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 17 Mar 1839
Christening Place: St. Saviour Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia
Birth Date: 22 Jan 1839
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Mcgeorge
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13543-8
System Origin: Australia-EASy
GS Film number: 993952
Reference ID:

 

[DaveHam9]

This one is wrong.

Name: Rosamond Mcgeorge
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 17 Jul 1841
Christening Place: Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia
Birth Date:
Birthplace: Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Mcgeorge
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00349-1
System Origin: Australia-EASy
GS Film number: 1238833
Reference ID: St. Saviors Goulburn

The record on film shows that is the birth date and that the baptism was in August 1842 but the day is cut by the tight binding.

Page 9
Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Saviour in the County of Argyle in the Year 1842
No 134 When Baptised: [margin] August When Born: 17th July 1841 Rosamond - John & Mary McGeorge Abode: Wheeo Quality or Profession: Inn-keeper By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Sowerby


There is another record that gets it right:

Name: Rosamond Mcgeorge
Gender: Female
Christening Date: Aug 1842
Christening Place: ST. SAVIOUR, ARGYLE, NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA
Birth Date: 17 Jul 1841
Birthplace: New South Wales, Australia
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Mcgeorge
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13544-5
System Origin: Australia-EASy
GS Film number: 993954
Reference ID:

 

[DaveHam9]

This one is corect:

Name: Margaret Mc George
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Nov 1846
Christening Place: ST. SAVIOUR ARGYLE, NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1845
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Mc George
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C39405-2
System Origin: Australia-EASy
GS Film number: 993956
Reference ID:


Page 29
Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Saviour in the County of Argyle in the Year 1846
No 428 When Baptised: 20 Novr. When Born: 19th March 1845 Margaret - John & Mary McGeorge Abode: Veteran's Flats Quality or Profession: Settler By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Sowerby

 

[DaveHam9]

Wesleyan Baptisms in the Goulburn Circuit in the County of Argyle in the Year 1854
Andrew - John & Mary McGeorge Abode: Goulburn Quality or Profession: Farmer When Born: 13th November 1853 When Baptised: 1st January 1854 By whom the Ceremony was performed: Benj. Hurst

 

[DaveHam9]

Page 9
Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Philip Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1835
No 132 When Baptised: [margin] July 1835 When Born: 29 June 1835 Matilda Daughter of John & Mary McGeorge Abode: Goulburn Quality or Profession: Farmer By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Cowper


Name: Matilda Mcgeorge
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 3 Jul 1835
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1835
Birthplace: ST. PHILIPS, SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Mcgeorge
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13541-9
System Origin: Australia-EASy
GS Film number: 993951
Reference ID:



Burials in the Parish of St. Philip Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1835
No 117 Matilda McGeorge Abode: Sydney When Died: When Buried: 11 July 1835 Age: 1 month Ship's Name: - Quality or Profession: - By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Cowper

 

[DaveHam9]

There are two different sets of films. One is a film of the actual parish register and a copy of that set is help by the Mitchell Library in Sydney and others.

The other set is the film of the extracts of the register as sent to the Registrar General in Sydney. That set of films is held by the State Library in Sydney and by several other local libraries and others.

I have viewed the set at a local library in Sydney. I have not yet viewed the set at the Mitchell Library.

 

[DaveHam9]

V18321118 16/1832 McGEORGE JOHN - TIECE MARY - CR= CofE Cobbitty, Narellan

Page 17
Marriages solemnized in the Parish of Narrellan in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1832
No. 67
John McGeorge of the Parish of Goulburn Plains
Mary Tiece of the Parish of Goulburn Plains
married in this Chapel by Banns with consent of Her Father
this Third day of November 1832 By me [Sgd.] Thomas Hassall Chaplain
[signed] Jno. McGeorge, Mary (her x mark)
Witnesses: George Horne ? of Cobedale ?, Lilly (her x mark) Brown of Darling Vale Goulburn Plains