William SARA & Mary KISSELL

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

'Rajasthan' Arrived 11 Jan 1855
Sydney and/or Newcastle and family Reel 2137, [4/4791]; Reel 2471, [4/4954]
SARAH William 38
SARAH Mary 38
SARAH Mary 16
SARAH Eliza 14
SARAH Frederick 10
SARAH Arthur 7
SARAH Fanny 3

Reel 2471
William 38 Farm Labr. Mylor Cornwall - George & Mary living in Mylor - CE - Read & write - No relations in colony
Mary 38 - Maybe [Mabe] Cornwall - William & Fanny Kissell both dead - CE - Neither

Deaths
9604/1895 SARA MARY - WILLIAM - FANNY - ORANGE

10597/1901 SARA WILLIAM - WILLIAM - LOUISA - ORANGE

So which one is right ??? Or is it the wrong death for William?

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

1851
Piece: HO107/1911 Place: Falmouth -Cornwall Enumeration District: 1b
Civil Parish: St. Gluvias Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 468 Page: 8 Schedule: 30
Address: Birds Lane End

Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SARAH William Head M M 34 Farm Labourer Cornwall - Mylor
SARAH Mary Wife M F 37 Cornwall - Mabe
SARAH Eliza Dau U F 10 Scholar Cornwall - Mabe
SARAH Fred Son U M 8 Scholar Cornwall - Mabe
SARAH Arthur Son U M 4 Scholar Cornwall - Mabe
WILLS Will. Visitr W M 84 Retired Farmer Cornwall - Mabe

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Jun 1838
SARA William Falmouth 9 125
Kestle Mary Falmouth 9 125


Births Mar 1840
Sara Elizabeth Falmouth 9 98

Eliza Ann SARA c. 13 Feb 1842 Mylor, Cornwall
William SARA & Mary

Where is William in 1841?

1841
Piece: HO107/138/10 Place: Kerrier -Cornwall Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Mylor Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 68 Page: 5
Address: Carrick
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SARA Mary F 25 Cornwall
SARA Mary F 2 Cornwall
SARA Eliza F 6m Cornwall
SARA Eliza F 12 Cornwall

 

[DaveHam9]

If George & Mary then:

1841
Piece: HO107/138/10 Place: Kerrier -Cornwall Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Mylor Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 67 Page: 2
Address: Carsawsan
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SARA George M 55 Ag Lab Cornwall
SARA Mary F 50 Cornwall
SARA Arthur M 20 Ag Lab Cornwall
SARA Ann F 15 Cornwall
GEORGE John M 70 Ag Lab Cornwall


1851
Piece: HO107/1911 Place: Falmouth -Cornwall Enumeration District: 2e
Civil Parish: Mylor Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 131 Page: 19 Schedule: 65
Address: Garrick
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SARA George Head M M 65 Farm Labourer Cornwall - St Gluvias
SARA Mary Wife M F 64 Cornwall - Mylor
SARA Ann Dau U F 24 Cornwall - Mylor
SARA Wliza Dau U F 21 Cornwall - Mylor
SARA Mary Grndau - F 11 Cornwall - Mylor
SARA Henry Grnson - M 11m Cornwall - Mylor


If William & Louisa then ???

 

[DaveHam9]

George & Mary seem to fit so is that the right death in 1901 with the wrong parents or the wrong death for William SARA b. abt 1816 Mylor.

 

[DaveHam9]

I need some burial records for Orange. Just found this:

The State Library of NSW has the following CD in it's Family History Collection:

NSW - Orange & District Cemetery Memorial Inscriptions

Half the trees have parents as George & Mary and the other half William & Louisa.

One tree has Mary's maiden name as MORWENNA.

Another tree has Louisa Rose but I can't tell if that means maiden name is ROSE or not.

 

[DaveHam9]

name: William Rowe Sara
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 28 Jan 1816
baptism/christening place: Mylor, Cornwall, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: George Sara
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02340-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596064
reference number: P 24 L 187

This baptism and the shipping record and the 1841 & 1851 census have parents as George and Mary yet trees that have his birth as 1816 Mylor and death in 1901 at Lucknow near Orange, NSW say his parents are as per the death reg - William & Louisa.

So, can a William SARA and Louisa be found in or near Mylor?

Can we find Mary's maiden name?

Where does the middle name Rowe come from?

 

[gibbo]

Rowe appears to be his mother's maiden name.

Day Month 01-Apr Year 1815
Parish Or Reg District Mylor
Groom Fn George
Groom Sn SARA
Groom Age
Groom Residence Mylor
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) Sign
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession

Bride Fn Mary
Bride Sn ROWE
Bride Age
Bride Residence Mylor
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) Sign
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) Banns
Witness Fn1 Nicholas
Witness Sn1 SARA
Witness Fn2 Phillip
Witness Sn2 BILLONDS

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I guess the author of one tree will have a hard job of proving it's Mary MORWENNA. :2fun:

If it is as simple as the informant getting both names wrong on the 1901 reg then why do 5 different trees insist his parents are William & Louisa? Where is any evidence of that couple in Mylor?

One makes an assumption without looking at the shipping record or the census or the baptism or marriage records and the other 4 copy that tree.

 

[Aussiegenie]

Hi Dave,

Re your post 6 - I have the Orange Dist Cemetery CD. Who are you looking for? I see that there are 15 SARAs buried there.

There is -Mary SARA died July 10 1896 aged 80 years buried Methodist Old Sec 1 Row 18 No. 2 with William SARA died July 29, 1901 aged 88 years.

Also recorded Methodist Old Sec 1 Row 18 No. 2 are a family of BENTLEYs. Are they related?

Regards
Sue

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Sue,

Thanks. Age for Mary fits with age on shipping record.

This is the info off one tree:

William Rowe SARA
Birth 1816 Mylor, Cornwall, England
Death 29 Jul 1901 Orange, NSW

Mary Ann KISSELL/KESTLE
Birth 1815 Mabe, Cornwall, England,
Death 1895 Orange, NSW

I wonder if the headstone was difficult to read hence 1895/1896.

Is that Methodist section of Orange or Lucknow?

Sorry, I have no information re BENTLEYs.

This is my starting point:

Eliza Ann SARA c. 13 Feb 1842 Mylor, Cornwall, England
- parents William SARA & Mary

Eliza Ann is buried in Methodist Rookwood.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Eliza's youngest sister on the shipping record is Fanny - aged 3 in 1855.

Marriage 3031/1870 BENTLEY JOHN - SARA FANNY - ORANGE

 

[DaveHam9]

Can't find the marriage for William & Fanny.

Not in the Mabe parish register 1813-1837 records or FS or FreeREG.

 

[gibbo]

I cant find the marriage neither.

 

[DaveHam9]

They had both died by 1855. I'll have another look in the census.

1841
Piece: HO107/138/4 Place: Kerrier -Cornwall Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Mabe Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 3 Page: 1
Address: Trelever
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KESTTEL John M 25 Ag Lab Cornwall
KESTTEL Elizabeth F 22 Cornwall
KESTTEL John M 1 Cornwall
KESTTEL Elizabeth F 1 Cornwall
KESTTEL William M 60 Ag Lab Cornwall
KESTTEL Fanny F 60 Cornwall

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Dec 1846
Kestle William Falmouth 9 51

1851
Piece: HO107/1911 Place: Falmouth -Cornwall Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Mabe Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 601 Page: 26 Schedule: 95
Address: Higher Spargoe
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KISTLE Fanny Head W F 74 Cornwall - Wendron
KISTLE Henry Son U M 29 Stone Mason Cornwall - Mabe
KISTLE Ann Dau U F 23 Servant Cornwall - Mabe

Deaths Mar 1853
Kestle Fanny Falmouth 5c 165

 

[gibbo]

We still on this one? Where we up to?

 

[DaveHam9]

I think we are almost done.

I have no proof yet, but it seems the informant got the names wrong on the 1901 death reg. If you make that assumption everything else fits. Not one I'm adding to my list of certificates to purchase.

 

[Aussiegenie]

Hi Dave,

It is Orange Methodist Cemetery. There is no photo of the headstone on the CD but I think it should be 1895 - maybe it was hard to read or a typo.

Regards
Sue

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok, thanks Sue.

I think I will inquire of several tree authors how they support the claims they make re parents and burial place.

Progress has been made this time round. This branch will get a revisit next year.

Regards,

Dave