William Sydney JONES

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NSW Birth 1934/1865 JONES WILLIAM S - JOHN - ELIZABETH - SYDNEY * 14 Jul

NSW Death 16801/1933 JONES WILLIAM S - JOHN - ELIZABETH - MANLY * 17 Aug

Marriage not yet found for John & Elizabeth and their deaths also not yet found.

 

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NSW Marriage 605/1865 McWILLIAMS JOHN - SIMPSON BRIDGET SUSANNAH - SYDNEY

NSW Birth 16866/1880 McWILLIAMS ETHEL MAY - JOHN - SUSANNAH - LIVERPOOL

NSW Deaths
McWILLIAMS SUSAN I 7623/1882 WILLIAM - MARY I - LIVERPOOL

McWILLIAMS SUSAN 7587/1882 WILLIAM - SUSAN - LIVERPOOL

I can't find a notice in Trove to sort those two deaths out.

Death for John?

 

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I found a burial for one of them Susan's unless there is another one
Headstone very hard to read


1809?
Birth Town and State Co. Tyrone
Birth Country Ireland
BDM Birth Reg
Death Date
23 Mar 1882
Age 73

https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=16001137#images

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

NSW Death McWILLIAMS SUSAN 7587/1882 WILLIAM - SUSAN - LIVERPOOL * 25 Mar

That one married to a William.

McWilliams William [no death date] h/Susan Liverpool Pioneers' Memorial Park NSW >>> same headstone

 

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NSW Death McWILLIAMS SUSAN I 7623/1882 WILLIAM - MARY I - LIVERPOOL * 6 Apr

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok, we have a problem.

NSW Births
McWILLIAMS WILLIAM J 4735/1883 JOHN - SUSANNAH - LEICHHARDT
McWILLIAMS ALBERT 4804/1886 JOHN - SUSANNAH - LEICHHARDT

 

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Double problem.

NSW Births
McWILLIAMS JANE 13290/1875 JOHN - BRIDGET S - LIVERPOOL
McWILLIAMS CHRISTINA 13673/1876 JOHN - BRIDGET S - LIVERPOOL
McWILLIAMS RAYMOND 15048/1878 JOHN - BRIDGET S - LIVERPOOL

 

[DaveHam9]

We have 3x McWilliam families.

What is known to be the starting point? This NSW marriage is ok.

9494/1905 JONES WILLIAM S - McWILLIAMS ETHEL - GLEBE * 13 Oct 1

This NSW death is ok.

Death 34132/1959 JONES ETHEL MAY - JOHN - SUSANAH - MANLY * 7 Dec 1959 * age 77

 

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Double problem.

NSW Births
McWILLIAMS JANE 13290/1875 JOHN - BRIDGET S - LIVERPOOL
McWILLIAMS CHRISTINA 13673/1876 JOHN - BRIDGET S - LIVERPOOL
McWILLIAMS RAYMOND 15048/1878 JOHN - BRIDGET S - LIVERPOOL

McWILLIAMS - July 2 1922, at his residence 152 Gloucester-street Sydney. John dearly beloved husband of Bridget McWilliams aged 75 years. R I P

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16010948

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Wed 8 Dec 1926
McWILLIAMS -The Relatives and Friends of the late Mrs. BRIDGET McWILLIAMS, of 158 Gloucester street, city, are kindly invited to attend her FuneraI. to leave St. Patrick's Church, Sydney, THIS Wednesday) AFTERNOON, at 1.15, for Rookwood cemetery, via Mortuary Station, Regent-street, city, by the I.55 p.m. funeral train. Alight No. 2 platform In Cemetery.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16338565

 

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The last one with Bridget S.

McWILLIAMS RAYMOND 15048/1878 JOHN - BRIDGET S - LIVERPOOL

Then these two.

McWILLIAMS ETHEL MAY 16866/1880 JOHN - SUSANNAH - LIVERPOOL

McWILLIAMS GEORGE 14305/1881 JOHN - SUSANNAH - LIVERPOOL

Then.

McWILLIAMS WILLIAM J 4735/1883 JOHN - SUSANNAH - LEICHHARDT

McWILLIAMS ALBERT 4804/1886 JOHN - SUSANNAH - LEICHHARDT

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I can only find the marriage to Bridget S.

Another family is in Berrima so they can be ruled out.

The question is - do we have three or four families??

Is Raymond the last for Bridget or did they drop the Bridget for the following two births in Liverpool?

Or do we have a different family from 1880 onwards - two in Liverpool and two in Leichhardt??

Or only two families - one in Berrima and the other in Liverpool then Leichhardt with change of name in birth reg for mother?

 

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NSW Death McWILLIAMS JOHN 6717/1900 WILLIAM - SUSAN - PETERSHAM * 29 Apr

 

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NSW Death McWILLIAMS JOHN 6717/1900 WILLIAM - SUSAN - PETERSHAM * 29 Apr

John McWilliams, 64 years of age, whose dead body was about 6.15 a.m. yesterday found hanging to some rafters of a stable at the rear of premises ....
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14308939

 

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Could she have been Bridget Susan hence the Bridget S McWilliams then dropped the Bridget for some reason??

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Address does not help re Ethel so may have to start tracing other children.

1913 NSW Electoral Roll - LEICHHARDT - LEICHHARDT POLLING-PLACE
JONES William Sidney, Daniel-street, blacksmith
JONES Ethel May, Daniel-street, domestic duties
JONES Joseph, Daniel-street, wireworker

 

[DaveHam9]

Looks like it gibbo.

NSW Birth McWILLIAMS JOHN 11501/1870 JOHN - BRIDGET SUSANNAH - LIVERPOOL

Ignoring the births in Berrima there is no overlap.

I'll be back in abt 20 min.

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NSW Death McWILLIAMS JOHN 2350/1909 JOHN - BRIDGET - MOSS VALE

That could be the death of the 1870 Liverpool one or the 1871 Berrima one, next post.

 

[DaveHam9]

Dunno gibbo given the deaths in post #9. Are they the deaths of these two?

NSW Births
MCWILLIAMS JOHN 7193/1871 JOHN - BRIDGET - BERRIMA
MCWILLIAMS CATHERINE 7038/1872 JOHN - BRIDGET - BERRIMA
MCWILLIAMS HANNAH 7682/1873 JOHN - BRIDGET - BERRIMA
MCWILLIAMS PATRICK 8355/1876 JOHN - BRIDGET - BERRIMA
MCWILLIAMS MICHAEL 8610/1877 JOHN - BRIDGET - BERRIMA
MCWILLIAMS EDWARD 9909/1879 JOHN- BRIDGET - BERRIMA
MCWILLIAMS PATRICK 10586/1880 JOHN - BRIDGET - BERRIMA
MCWILLIAMS ROBERT 13299/1882 JOHN - BRIDGET - BERRIMA

 

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NSW Bap SIMPSON BRIDGET S 292/1843 V1843292 27A GEORGE - MARY

 

[DaveHam9]

10x marriages in NSW index before 1865 for a John Jones to an Elizabeth.

RC Manly - that date is the burial date.
William Sydney JONES BIRTH: ----- DEATH: 1933-08-19 ? BURIAL: ----- SITES: CTH-R-370

I have nothing yet on William's parents. I can't find a tree.

No burials in RC Manly for a John or Elizabeth Jones.

 

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See if this helps any

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Sat 19 Aug 1933
JONES.—The Friends of Mr. and Mrs. J. G. JONES and FAMILY are invited to attend the Funeral of their late BROTHER and UNCLE, William Sydney Jones, to leave St Mary's Church, at 10.30 a.m., for Manly Cemetery.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16999485

JONES JOHN GEORGE 1156/1873 JOHN - ELIZABETH - SYDNEY