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William THORNLEY b. abt 1854

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Hello,

Starting from this marriage:

Marriages Dec 1876
Thornley William Bolton 8c 383
BALL Betsey Bolton 8c 383

Lancs BMD Ball Betsy Thornley William Bolton St. Peter 18/26/229

William Thornley......21years.......Bachelor ....Ironturner....317 Lever Street Bolton. Son of Thomas Thornley...Ironturner

Betsy Ball.......20 Years ......Spinster.....No occupation listed.....Parrot Street Bolton. Daughter of Simeon Ball.....Collier

On the 25th December 1876.....the Parish Church...Bolton le Moors in the county of Lancaster

In the presence of ......John Thornley and Mary Ellen Fielding
All parties signed


I can't find William or Betsy in Shipping record so I have no details of parents. Betsy died in NSW but William didn't so I have no death certificate for William.

What likely parents do we get if we say John is a brother?

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1871
William Thornley
15 abt 1856
Son
Father Thomas Thornley
Mother Jane Thornley
born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Registration district: Bolton

Thomas Thornley 37 Ashton under Lyne, Iron turner
Jane Thornley 35 Bolton
William Thornley 15 Bolton Iron turner
John Thornley 13 Bolton
Joseph Thornley 11 Bolton
Elizabeth Thornley 8 Bolton
Mary E Thornley 5 Bolton
Alice J Thornley 3 Atherton
Betsy Thornley 1 Bolton

New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896

Name: William Thornley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 22
Engine driver
father - Thomas 24 LLoyd St Leigh
Voyage Arrival Date: 7 May 1877
Vessel Name: Earl Dalhousie

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Hi Dave
Possible parents


Name: WRIGHT, Thomas
Registration District: Bolton Lancashire
1850 Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume No: 21
Page No: 141
Thomas Wright married one of the following people
BRABIN, Ann
CHAPMAN, elizabeth
ORMROD, Ann
YATES, Jane

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Hello dave,

Thank you very much.

You are not aware of it but you have perfectly highlighted the problem I have.

I will explain in a few minutes.

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Hi Dave
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Name: WRIGHT, Thomas
Registration District: Bolton Lancashire
1850 Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume No: 21
Page No: 141
Thomas Wright married one of the following people
BRABIN, Ann
CHAPMAN, elizabeth
ORMROD, Ann
YATES, Jane

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Hello dave,

Why a Thomas WRIGHT ? ;) Still thinking about Edmund?

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Hello dave,

The William in the shipping record arrived alone. This is probably his birth:


Births Dec 1854
Thornley William Leigh 8c 134

I can find no marriage for him in Australia and I can find no death.


Looking at the William in post #1 he is married with spouse Betsy.


Baptism: 25 Jan 1857 St Luke Lowton, Lancashire, England
Betty Ball - Child of Simeon Ball & Ann
Abode: Golborne
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: Thos. Forster, Rector
Register: Baptisms 1845 - 1886 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 189, Entry 1506



Death Reg# 16302/1938 THORNLEY BETSY SIMEON ANN MARRICKVILLE

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842-1954) - Thursday 4 August 1938
DEATHS
THORNLEY-August 3, 1938 at her residence 4 Francis street, Marrickville, Betsy widow of the late William Thornley, aged 81 years.


N.S.W Sands Directory
THORNLEY William, 1883 - Livingstone st, Marrickville, ironturner


Still an iron turner not an engine driver. Possibly one of these:


Births Dec 1855
Thornley William Bolton 8c 272
Births Jun 1856
THORNLEY William Bolton 8c 232
Births Jun 1857
Thornley William Bolton 8c 334

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Hello dave,

This looks as though it's their first child born in Australia:

Birth Reg# 6247/1881 THORNLEY JOHN WILLIAM BETSY NEWTOWN

I don't have a copy so I can't say if they were or were not in England at the time of the 1881 census.

They married on 25 Dec 1876 so they arrived between those dates possibly with a daughter Mary Alice.

Births Mar 1879
Thornley Mary Alice Bolton 8c 475
Births Mar 1881
THORNLEY Mary Alice Bolton 8c 409

They family you show in 1871 census has to be the correct family. Here are the two youngest children:

Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Miss Alice J THOMLEY
Date of departure: 29 August 1914
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Sydney, Australia
Passenger destination: Sydney, Australia
Date of Birth: 1868 (calculated from age)
Age: 46
Marital status:
***: Female
Occupation: Dressmaker
Ship: PERSIC
Official Number: 110620
Master's name: A H Summers
Steamship Line: White Star
Where bound: Sydney, Australia
Square feet: 6846
Registered tonnage: 12042
Passengers on voyage: 249


Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Miss Betsy THOMLEY
Date of departure: 29 August 1914
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Sydney, Australia
Passenger destination: Sydney, Australia
Date of Birth: 1871 (calculated from age)
Age: 43
Marital status:
***: Female
Occupation: Shop Asst
Ship: PERSIC
Official Number: 110620
Master's name: A H Summers
Steamship Line: White Star
Where bound: Sydney, Australia
Square feet: 6846
Registered tonnage: 12042
Passengers on voyage: 249

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Hello dave,

Why a Thomas WRIGHT ? ;) Still thinking about Edmund?

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Hi Dave
whoops - a senior moment - sorry

Parents could be these

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Name: Thomas Thornley


A/j 1851 Bolton ref 8c 280

James Bate 1852 Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Jane Brockbank 1852 Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Catharine Kavanaugh 1852 Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Thomas Thornley 1852 Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire
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Hello dave,

This looks like the marriage of Joseph in that 1871 census:

Marriage: 20 Oct 1880 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Joseph Thornley - 20 Assistant Pawn-broker Bachelor of 278 Lever street
Alice Ann Conway - 20 Spinster of 7 Claughton Street
Groom's Father: Thomas Thornley, Iron-turner
Bride's Father: Charles Conway, (deceased), Turner
Witness: John Thornley; Priscilla Burrows
Married by Banns by: William Elton Lecturer & Curate
Register: Marriages 1878 - 1881, Page 170, Entry 339
Source: Film of the register at Manchester Library

I'm convinced that's the right family in 1871. Just wish I could find William & Betsy and daughter ? in shipping records. The two youngest didn't arrive until 1914 and Elizabeth Ann who married Edmund WRIGHT didn't leave England so there are at least some of that 1871 family still there in 1881 but who else?

This looks to be the first born in Australia for Joseph & Alice Ann:

Birth Reg# 6271/1887 THORNLEY JOSEPH S JOSEPH ALICE A PETERSHAM

So they arrived between 1880 and 1887.

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Hello dave,

Then this is the possible marriage:

Marriage: 6 Jun 1852 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Thornley - (X), Full Mechanic Bachelor of Great Bolton
Jane Brockbank - (X), Minor Spinster of Great Bolton
Groom's Father: Jeremiah Thornley, Mechanic
Bride's Father: William Brockbank, Shoe Maker
Witness: William Mather, (X); James Liptrot
Married by Banns by: C.R. Pilling Curate
Register: Marriages 1851 - 1852, Page 124, Entry 247
Source: Microfilm of register at Manchester Library

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Hello dave,

Here is Joseph:

1881
RG11 Piece / Folio 3841 / 66 Page Number 13
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph THORNLEY Head M Male 21 Bolton, Lancashire, England Pawnbrokers Shopman
Alice Ann THORNLEY Wife M Female 20 Bolton, Lancashire, England
Charles THORNLEY Son Male 2 m Bolton, Lancashire, England
Source Information:
Dwelling 358 Bridgman St
Census Place Great Bolton, Lancashire, England


I can't see William & Betsy in 1881.

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Dave
 
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