William WARD & family in London

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I don't know when or where in UK William WARD married Ethel unknown. I'm having trouble finding the marriage and the births of the three children. I know the first names of the three children are correct. I don't know if William has a middle name. I have not managed to prove his birth details are correct as stated in the book about the Lindfield Methodist Church. His parents may be Benjamin and Phoebe if this is his death reg:

18477/1950 WARD WILLIAM BENJAMIN PHOEBE CHATSWOOD

and if those are his parents then this is their marriage:

Marriages Sep 1866
KNOWLES Phoebe Clerkenwell 1b 1067
WARD Benjamin Clerkenwell 1b 1067

So that ties in with Highbury and Islington.

I'd like a look up please for the following WARD family in London in 1901.

William b. 12 Jan 1870 Highbury
Spouse Ethel b. ?

Children:
George Herbert b. 1897 Islington (possibly)
Doris Kathleen b. 1901 Islington (possibly)
Kathleen (don't know her middle name) b. ?

The family supposedly arrived in Australia in 1913.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

So far haven't found if William has a middle name.

1901 U.K census
Park st, Islington, London

WARD William head 1870 age 31 Greengrocer & Fruiterer Barnsbury, London
WARD Kate wife 1872 age 29 Barnsbury, London
WARD George son 1897 age 4 Barnsbury, London
WARD Phoebe mother 1844 age 57 Fruiterers Green Radnorshire, Wales
WARD Edith sister 1872 age 29 Clerk Commercial Barnsbury, London
WARD Jane sister 1877 age 24 Cashier Barnsbury, London
WARD Percy brother 1879 age 22 Fruiterers Assist Barnsbury, London

1911 U.K census
District Islington, London

WARD Doris Kathleen 1902, Islington
WARD Ethel Kate 1880 -
WARD George Herbert 1897, Islington
WARD William 1870, Islington

Births for two children

BIRTHS June Qtr 1902
WARD Doris Kathleen – Islington – 1b 339

BIRTHS June Qtr 1897
WARD George Herbert – Islington – 1b 247

Death
10396/1954 WARD ETHEL KATE GEORGE WINDER JANE ELEANOR NEWTOWN

Haven't found marriage for William & Ethel but her maiden name may be MUSSETT.
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Included 1891, 1881, 1871 census for William WARD

1891 U.K census
Barnsbury st, Islington, London

WARD Beryann head 1841 age 50 Fruiterers Greengrocer Olney, Buckinghamshire
WARD Phoebe wife 1842 age 49 Preseyn, Radnorshire, Wales
WARD Thomas C son 1868 age 23 Clerk Islington, London
WARD William son 1870 age 21 Greengrocers Assistant Islington, London
WARD Herbert son 1875 age 16 Greengrocers Assist Islington, London
WARD Jane daur 1878 age 13 Islington, London
WARD Percy son 1880 age 11 Islington, London
FRANK Frances Lodger 1831 age 60 Living on own means Kent

1881 U.K census
1 Barnsbury st, Islington, London

WARD Benjamin head 1841 age 40 Greengrocer Olney, Buckinghamshire
WARD Phoebe wife 1844 age 37 Radnorshire, Wales
WARD Charles son 1868 age 13 Islington, London
WARD William son 1870 age 11 Islington, London
WARD Edith daur 1872 age 9 Islington, Middlesex
WARD Herbert son 1874 age 7 Islington, London
WARD Jane daur 1877 age 4 Islington, London
WARD Percy son 1879 age 2 Islington, London
FRANK Frances Lodger 1831 age 60 Living on own means Kent

1871 U.K census
1 Barnsbury st, Islington, London

WARD Benjamin head 1844 age 27 Greengrocer Olney, Buckinghamshire
WARD Phoebe wife 1845 age 27 Wales
WARD Wm son 1870 age 1 Islington
KING Lucy visitor 1814 age 57 1881 U.K census

cheers
crankypants

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Yes Ethel's maiden name is MUSSETT, the marriage is in 1907.

March Qtr 1907
WARD William - W.Ham - 4a 138
MUSSETT Ethel Kate - W.Ham 4a 138

(do you want her with her parents in 1891)

Found the third child

Births Dec Qtr 1912
WARD Kathleen F Mussett Islington 1b 564

cheers
crankypants

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

I think you can rule out William having a middle name.

1916-1929 N.S.W Sands Directory
WARD William, Strickland ave, Roseville

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney – Roseville
WARD Doris Kathleen, 15 Strickland ave, clerk
WARD Ethel Kate, South Sea, Strickland ave, Roseville, home duties
WARD William, 15 Strickland ave, warehouseman

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta – Gordon
WARD Ethel Kate, 15 Strickland ave, Roseville, home duties
WARD Kathleen Florence, 15 Strickland ave, typiste
WARD William, 15 Strickland ave, Roseville, warehouseman

MARRIAGE – Doris Kathleen WARD 1935
6451/1935 FURNER GORDON C WARD DORIS K CHATSWOOD

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta – Gordon
FURNER Doris Kathleen, 17 Northcote ave, Killara, home duties
FURNER Gordon Charles, 17 Northcote ave, Killara, clerk

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/ WARD George Herbert : Service Number - 22178 : Place of Birth - London England : Place of Enlistment - Sydney NSW : Next of Kin - (Father) WARD William
Now this is a bonus, William’s son returned to London and married, there is a marriage extract within his service records.
George Herbert WARD married 30th August 1919 Islington, London, St. Mary Magdalen Church Holloway, to Jessie SAINSBURY.

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Great work! Thank you very much. YES I can confirm one thing. William worked for Cadbury and spent many of those years connected with the Cadbury stand at the Royal Easter Show in Sydney. In later years he worked for his brother-in-law's newsagency Mussett's in Wahroonga.

Lived at 15 Strickland Ave Lindfield
LIndfield Methodist Church - 'A Cloud of Witnesses'
Church Warden from 1914 - Caretaker of the (new) Tryon Road Church.

I mentioned a possible middle name only because one marriage I found was William Charles WARD and Ethel Gordon MANSON in Sep 1887 London City but that's not the one.

Daughter Doris K is the one who connects the family to my tree by her marriage to Gordon Charles FURNER my great uncle.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

FURNER Doris Kathleen Death notice 16APR1979 Death late of Killara SMH 20APR1979

Do you have access to the shipping records on A.....y for 1913?

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Gordon was a stock broker in his father's firm FO Furner & Co.

(do you want her with her parents in 1891)

Yes please.

Thanks.

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Nothing on A......Y, so I did a check at this link for WARD'S arriving in Australia.

http://www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action

WARD Doris 1902 F 1913 London Australia Brisbane
WARD Elsie 1895 F 1913 London Australia Brisbane
WARD George 1897 M 1913 London Australia Brisbane
WARD Kathleen 1913 F 1913 London Australia Brisbane
WARD William 1872 M 1913 London Australia Brisbane

Departure year & port - 1913, London
Destination country & port - Australia, Brisbane

Can't find them though at this link.

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you. 1913 was correct.

I have just found these:
WARD Kathleen Florence Death notice 03SEP1997 Death 84 late of Gordon SMH 06SEP1997

WARD Jessie Gertrude Death notice 02JAN1979 Death late of Gwandalan SMH 03JAN1979

Please look in the ER for George Herbert and Jessie and we should find her middle name to prove that is her death.

This looks like the correct one for George:

15440/1958 WARD GEORGE WILLIAM KATE WYONG


Thanks.

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Sorry no middle name for Jessie, marriage extract shows no middle name.

1930 and 1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Newcastle – Merewether
WARD George Herbert, 3 Janet st, Merewether, collector
WARD Jessie, 3 Janet, st, Merewether, home duties

They had a child in England in 1919.

Births Dec Qtr 1919
Ward Muriel Sainsbury W.Ham 4a 344

cheers
crankypants

 

[crankypants]

Hello crankypants,

Gordon was a stock broker in his father's firm FO Furner & Co.

Yes please.

Thanks.

Dave

Hi Dave

1891 U.K census
..ont rd, Hackney, London

MUSSETT George head 1844 age 47 Omnibus Driver London
MUSSETT Jane E wife 1845 age 46 Woolwich
MUSSETT Florence J daur 1873 age 18 Draper’s Assistant Hanwell, Middlesex
MUSSETT Alfred C son 1876 age 15 Hat Wirers? Lambeth, London
MUSSETT Ethel K daur 1880 age 11 Clapton, London
MUSSETT Ernest J son 1882 age 9 Clapton, London

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you. The book on the Lindfield church says they lived in Merewether and that George died in 1956. I still think that 1958 reg is his although he may have died in Dec 1957. It's south of where the lived in the early years so they may have retired to the lakes area - Gwandalan is close to Wyong.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you. At least one of Ethel K's brothers came to Australia. He became the newsagent in Wahroonga.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Both Alfred C and Ernest J came to Australia. There are death reg for both showing parents as George Windermere & Jane Eleanor.

Dave