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William WESTWATER & Mary PRIMROSE

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Hello,

name: William Westwater
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Aug 1722
baptism/christening place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
birth date: 19 Aug 1722
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: William Westwater
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Janet Cunninghame
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11458-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: unknown
reference number:

William WESTWATER & Mary PRIMROSE
Marriage: 19 Nov 1757 Torryburn, Fife

WESTWATER children:

John
Jennet * twin
Margaret * twin
Isobel
Catharine
Rachel
William

OPR WESTWATER William Torryburn bu 15 Jul 1809

OPR WESTWATER Mary PRIM: Torryburn bu 23 Sep 1810 wi Wm Westwater

I have 2x Mary and one more marriage:

Mary Primrose
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 27 Jun 1725 TORRYBURN,​FIFE,​SCOTLAND
residence: Fife,​ Scotland
parents: James Primrose,​ Margaret Thompson

Mary Primrose
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 11 Sep 1732 TORRYBURN,​FIFE,​SCOTLAND
residence: 1732 Fife,​ Scotland
parents: John Primrose,​ Isabel Lindsay

Mary Primrose
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 6 Jan 1750 Torryburn,​Fife,​Scotland
spouse: John Alexander

ALEXANDER children:

James
William
Agnes
Euphame

Regards,

Dave
 
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When you don't know how many children you might be missing it's impossible to use traditional naming pattern to decide this one.

I could guess that Mary baptised in 1725 married in 1750 and the one born 1732 married in 1757. :rolleyes:

Don't think I'll be adding a marriage to my list. Too many of the early ones just say 'and proclaimed 3 times' with no info re age or parents.
 

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at least they are unusal names Dave. But it might be harder to go further back unless they have gravestones?

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Hello Barbara,

Not thinking of going back. Just wondering if there was any chance we could match the 2x Mary with the 2 marriages without me using 6 or 12 credits. :)
Probably not.

Connected to my tree by this marriage:

John WESTWATER & Elizabeth SANDS
3 Jan 1783 Torryburn, Fife

OPR 458 Sands Elizabeth WESTW Torryburn ------------- bu 20 Jun 1787
OPR 458 WESTWATER John Torryburn ------ bu 1 Jan 1798

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As far as going back is concerned this is the one:

David SANDS & Margaret ELDER
30 Apr 1723 Torryburn, Fife

I have no birth/baptism for either David or Margaret.

OPR 458 Sands David --------- Torryburn, Newmill d. 27 Feb 1744

OPR 458 Sands Margt ELDE:---- Torryburn d. 14 Jun 1742 -------------- wi David Sands

Agnes c. 14 May 1724 Torryburn d. ?
James c. 12 Aug 1725 Torryburn d. aft 1768 ** my line
Margaret b. 29 May 1727 Torryburn d. ?

I've been to Torryburn and it was one of the greatest disappointments of my life. :rolleyes: No Sands descendants left in the village and not many of the original buildings left either. I found nobody there who knew of the family.
 
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Unlikely because others have been searching for at least 10 years so it looks like a brick wall as far as David and Margaret are concerned.

I suppose I'm lucky it's Torryburn and I'm back to a 1723 marriage and not stuck in mid 1830s like I am with Hamilton in Ireland.
 

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I also should have added that Jennet and Margaret were twins.

One more piece I should have searched for earlier but it does not help:

Name: John Alexander
Gender: Male
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1728
Birthplace: Torryburn,​ Fife,​ Scotland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elspeth Alexander
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1040182
Reference ID:
 

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Only 1 set of Banns for David and Margaret ,so he was in the parish.

Ellie

Edit-there is a gap in IGI marriages
1629-1666
1630-1641
1629-1641


David Sands
Spouse's Name: Cathrin Stewart
Event Date: 30 Jul 1708
Event Place: Torryburn,Fife,Scotland

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11458-6 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

Only issue for David and Catherine

Christian Sands
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 04 Oct 1713
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: David Sands
Mother's Name: Catharine Stewart

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

Elspeth Sands
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Nov 1709
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: David Sands
Mother's Name: Cathrin Stewart

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

Catharine Sands
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 23 Mar 1718
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: David Sands
Mother's Name: Catharine Stewart

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

Bessie Wilsone
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 07 Apr 1683
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: William Wilsone
Mother's Name: Elspeth Sands

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182
 
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Magdalene Sands
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Mar 1716
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: David Sands
Mother's Name: Catharin Stewart

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

Anna Sands
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 31 Jul 1720
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: David Sands
Mother's Name: Catharin Stewart

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

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Thanks Ellie.

I have three children for David Sands and Margaret Elder - 30 Apr 1723

Agnes 1724 Bap 14 May * no further info
James 1725 Bap 12 Aug ** my line
Margaret b. 29 May 1727 * no further info


Don't know if one might be missing or not between James and Margaret

Margaret's mother might be Agnes and David's father might be James.
 
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No baptism for a David or a James and naming pattern does not fit.

A descendant of this line in USA has done a lot of work on the tree and no baptism has been found for either David Sands or Margaret Elder.
 

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