William WOODRUFF & Helen

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I'm looking for the marriage of a William John Mackay WOODRUFF to a Helen.

Also the birth of a son Ronald Mackay WOODRUFF

NZ Marriage 1919/653 Alice Eunice Verdrian - Ronald Woodruff

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 3 May 1919 p.16
MARRIAGES
WOODRUFF-PERDRIAU.-At St James' Church, Auckland, by Rev. Grant, Ronald, only son of Mr. and Mrs. J. Woodruff, of Sydney, to Alice Eunice, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. H. Perdriau, Drummoyne.


NZ Death 1919/11875 Woodruff William John Mackay 63Y

NSW Death 19479/1957 WOODRUFF RONALD MACKAY - WILLIAM JOHN M - HELEN - CHATSWOOD

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Got it Dave :biggrin: Will have to confirm it tho.

In Victoria

William John Mackay -
married: 1884 Helen THATCHER

http://www.familytreecircles.com/draft-35358.html

Maybe the birth for the son will be in VIC as well.

edited...

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Saturday 3 January 1885

WOODRUFF-THATCHER.-On the 23rd ult., by special licence, at Christ Church, South Yarra, by the Rev. Horace F Tucker, William John Mackay, only son of the late John Woodruff, H. M. Customs, Mel- bourne, to Helen, eldest daughter of the late Charles E. Thatcher, of Brighton, England.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

So 23 Dec 1884.

2 births 1885 - 1900 with parents William & Helen but one is not Ron or Ronald.

Daughters born 1885 and 1888. Those are the two in the index.


If this is Helen's death then the Charles is right but the middle initial is not:

28760/1943 WOODRUFF HELEN - CHARLES ROBERT - ANNE - MOSMAN

 

[gibbo]

This might help to work out year of birth for Ronald. Not going to post the whole article.

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Tuesday 23 September 1913

It is stated, that Mrs. Woodruff and her only son, Ronald, 26, returned home lato on Sunday night from' a woek-ond holiday on tho Mountains.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

So abt 1887 and in between the two with Vic. reg.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) - Wednesday 26 November 1913 p.11
WIFE AND SON ATTACKED.
MAN FOUND NOT GUILTY.
ORDER FOR DETENTION.
...
The jury returned a verdict of not guilty and Mr. Justice Ferguson directed that
Woodruff be kept in confinement during the Governor's pleasure.

The Governor must have let him out because he died in NZ in 1919.

 

[gibbo]

Yeah i read the articles,. Not a pleasent story.


The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Saturday 27 December 1919

WOODRUFF.—December 1, ? Auckland N.Z., William John Woodruff, aged ??.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks.

I can't see one in Ryerson or TROVE for Helen if that is her death in 1943.

Can't find a burial in Independent Rookwood or Eastern Suburbs or Woronora.

 

[gibbo]

NSW archives

Index to Gaol Photographs

WOODRUFF Mackay born 1856 Victoria Goal Darlinghurst
date of photo 26/11/1913
13340 95 NRS2138 [3/6084] 5117 - 2138_a006_a00603_6084000095r


At least that gives us year and place of birth tho you might have already had that.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks.

No, didn't have his birth.

Where is that yawn smilie. G'nite.

 

[gibbo]

Thanks.

No, didn't have his birth.

Where is that yawn smilie. G'nite.

Yes we need one of them :biggrin:
Nite

 

[gibbo]

On #2 posted on here the marriage notice stated

" the late John Woodruff, H. M. Customs, Melbourne,"

Working with that i found John's death. He would have been born around 1828 and Deal is in England... i googled that bit :biggrin:

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Tuesday 14 July 1863

WOODRUFF.-On the 13th inst., at Emerald Hill, Mr.John Woodruff, formerly of Deal, and for some year« landing walter in H.M. Customs, Melbourne, aged thirty-five year».

No mention of his wife's name so still dont know the name of William's mother All i could find on her was the below.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Wednesday 9 September 1863
,to:tbe widow of John Woodruff, weigher, £6U 19j.2d.;


There is a full story of his death in the below paper, its a large article so not posting the whole thing. Appears they only had the one kid with the paper stating " child". He died a few weeks after been hit by a train

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Wednesday 15 July 1863

It appeared from the evidence adduced at the inquest that the deceased John Woodruff was married, and leaves a wife and child. Ho was employed In the Customs ser- vice, and lived at Emerald hill.


John was working for customs in 1858 to. his mentioned in a article dated 1858. Not post this whole article.

Portland Guardian and Normanby General Advertiser (Vic. : 1842 - 1876)
Wednesday 18 August 1858

was summoned by John Woodruff, lardiug waiter at the Customs, for placing stone ballast on the old Jetty,

 

[gibbo]

Besides the 1858 newspapers articles the next earliest i can find for a John Woodruff is for a unclaimed letter..South Australia.


South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900)
Saturday 15 November 1851

Watson, John 'Yvhitloch, John Woodruff, Mr. Watson, John B. Whistle, Mrs. Woods, Mr.



Also found this
Gold Diggers from South Australia
1852 to 1853
WOODRUFF J consigned 1 oz 5 dwt of gold to WOODRUFF C A which arrived by escort 3 on 6-7-1852. Note: Delivered to WOODRUFF Mrs

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

It's Ronald in my tree and we have more stuff on his grandfather. :2fun:

 

[gibbo]

Yeah get a bit carried away at times dont i :2fun::2fun: I'll fill your tree up real quick for you :2fun::2fun: But i was on a roll :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

It's ok thanks. I've added it all to the tree as a note. Have not extended the actual tree.

So we don't know where Ronald was born. Can't find a reg.

 

[gibbo]

Ryerson index for Ronald. I wonder if you requested a copy of the notice if it would have anything in it.

WOODRUFF Ronald Mackay Death notice 14SEP1957 Death
at Kirribilli Sydney Morning Herald 18SEP1957

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, it might.

 

[gibbo]

Thanks gibbo.

So 23 Dec 1884.

2 births 1885 - 1900 with parents William & Helen but one is not Ron or Ronald.

Daughters born 1885 and 1888. Those are the two in the index.


If this is Helen's death then the Charles is right but the middle initial is not:

28760/1943 WOODRUFF HELEN - CHARLES ROBERT - ANNE - MOSMAN

I cant find a death notice for this Helen but if it is her this will give date of death.

NSW archives Probate
Item number or control symbol: Series 4-289911
Title: Helen Woodruff - Date of Death 07/11/1943, Granted on 01/05/1944


There is a auction to sell her stuff in the following paper tho it gives no names etc that could help confirm its the right Helen.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Friday 14 January 1944

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks. Normally I'd check the address against the Electoral Roll. Can't find Ronald in E/R after 1930. This looks like Helen:

Helen Woodruff 1943 New South Wales Warringah

Right location for the auction.


The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 18 November 1943 p.2
IN the Will of
Mosman... widow...

 

[DaveHam9]

WOODRUFF, Ronald Mackay, September 14, 1957, at his sister's residence, Kirribilli. Privately cremated.