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Witherington but which one?

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I'm looking for Samuel Witherington. I've found two on free bmd. One was born in 1890 Aston, Birmingham and the other was born in 1897 Aston, Birmingham.

The problem is I don't know which one of the above is the correct one for my family. I don't know who his parent or siblings were. My Samuel Witherington married Alice Hannah Pitt in 1916, Aston.

Would someone look up both of them please in the 1901 Census?

Help please, thank you

Lizzy
 
Hi Lizzy

I took a look at the Birmingham marriages on Ancestry and FMP but the marriage didn't appear. In the 1901 census one Samuel will be 11 years old and the other one will only be four, therefore we still don't know which one married Alice.
I think you will need to send for the marriage certificate, this is the reference

Name: Alice H Pitt
Spouse Surname: Witherington
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1916
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 777
Find Spouse: Find Spouse


Amanda
 
Name Alice H Pitt
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1916
Registration District Aston
County Warwickshire
Event Place Aston, Warwickshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Witherington
Volume 6D
Page 777
Line Number 24

Alice H Pitt probably married one of the following people
Name Samuel Witherington
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A maybe for Alice's birth

Name Alice Hannah Pitt
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1887
Registration District Aston
County Warwickshire
Event Place Aston, Warwickshire, England
Volume 6D
Page 219
Line Number 216
 
Maybe your Samuel in 1901. All of this will have to be checked.

Name Samuel Witherington
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Aston, Warwickshire, England
County Warwickshire
Civil Parish Aston
Ecclesiastical Parish All Saints
Sub-District Deritend
Registration District Aston
Residence Note Cooksey Road
Gender Male
Age 11
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
Birthplace Birmingham, Warwickshire
Schedule Type 231
Page Number 38

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZ9-PJ1
 
Do you know Samuel and Alice children's middle names, it might help to rule in or out the Samuel Witherington b. 1890 Aston in the 1891 census.

Witherington Samuel E Pitt Aston 6d 1179
Witherington William O Pitt Birmingham N. 6d 725

Rupert
 
No:) both Samuel's have a sibling named 'William Owen'

Is Samuel off a direct line, recommend strongly to get Alice's marriage certificate as Amanda in post 2 referenced, this should give you Samuel's father's name

1st Samuel age at marriage abt 19, 2nd Samuel age abt 26, Alice age abt 29

Do any addresses look familiar?

1st
Name: Samuel Witherington
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1890
Baptism Date: 20 Aug 1890
Baptism Place: Ashted, St James the Less, Warwickshire, England
Father: William Witherington
Mother: Mary Ann Witherington
Reference Number: DRO 10
Archive Roll: 638

1891
William Witherington Head Married Male 37 1854 Brass Caster Aston, Warwickshire, England
Maryann Witherington Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Aston, Warwickshire, England
William Owen Witherington Son Single Male 11 1880 Scholar Aston, Warwickshire, England
Mary Ann Witherington Daughter Single Female 8 1883 Scholar Aston, Warwickshire, England
Kate Witherington Daughter Single Female 6 1885 Scholar Aston, Warwickshire, England
Alice Witherington Daughter Single Female 3 1888 - Aston, Warwickshire, England
Samuel Witherington Son Single Male 0 1891 - Aston, Warwickshire, England
House name Westminster Terrace
Street Landor Street
Town Saltley
Parish Aston
City -
County Warwickshire
Registration district Aston
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2427
Folio 31
Page 21

1901
William Witherington Head Married Male 45 1856 Brass Founder Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Charlotte Witherington Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Mary Witherington Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Brass Polisher Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Rose Witherington Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Chair Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Jane Lane Sister-In-Law Single Female 21 1880 Press Worker Metal Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Harry Lane Step Son Single Male 15 1886 Bicycle Filer Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Lottie Witherington Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Lilly Witherington Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Lewis Witherington Son - Male 0 1901 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Samuel Witherington Son - Male 11 1890 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Thomas Witherington Son - Male 9 1892 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Harry Witherington Son - Male 6 1895 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Alice Witherington Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Minnie Lane Step Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Street Cooksey Road
Town -
Parish Aston
City -
Country England
County Warwickshire
Municipal ward Bordesley
Registration district Aston
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 2861
Folio 90
Page 38

1911
William Witherington Heed Married Male Brass Caster 57 1854 Birmingham Warickshire
Charllootte Witherington Wife Married Female - 50 1861 Birmingham Warick
Kate Witherington Daughter Single Female Press Worker 26 1885 Birmingham Warick
Sam Witherington Son Single Male Brass Caster 20 1891 Birmingham Warick
Lottie Witherington Daughter School Female - 12 1899 Birmingham Warick
Lily Witherington Daughter School Female - 10 1901 Birmingham Warick
Levi Witherington Son School Male - 9 1902 Birmingham Warick
Lance Witherington Son School Male - 6 1905 Birmingham Warick
Tom Witherington Son Single Male Brass Caster 17 1894 Birm Warick
Miriam Lane Step Daut Single Female Rubber Worker 21 1890 Birmingham Warwickshire
Martha Lane Niece Widow Female Press Worker 22 1889 London Stratford
Address 134 Willis St Birmingham
Parish Aston
County Warwickshire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Aston
Registration district number 385
Enumeration district 38
District number -
Sub district Duddeston
Sub district number 3
Census reference RG14PN18268 RG78PN1101 RD385 SD3 ED38 SN10
Piece number 18268
Folio -
Page -

Marriages Dec 1878
NEVITT Mary Ann Aston 6d 340
WITHERINGTON William Aston 6d 340

2nd marriage
Marriages Dec 1897
LANE Charlotte Aston 6d 761
WITHERINGTON William Aston 6d 761
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2nd
[no baptism found]
Births Mar 1897
Witherington Samuel Aston 6d 368

1901
Joseph Witherington Head Married Male 32 1869 Pearl Worker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Bertha Witherington Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
William O Witherington Son Single Male 10 1891 - -
Beatrice Witherington Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Joseph Witherington Son Single Male 6 1895 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Samuel Witherington Son Single Male 4 1897 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Street Aston Road
Town -
Parish Aston
City -
Country England
County Warwickshire
Municipal ward St Stephens
Registration district Aston
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 2871
Folio 83
Page 37

1911
Beartha Witherington Head Widow Female - 38 1873 Worcestershire
William Owen Witherington Son Single Male Cycle Worker 20 1891 Birmingham
Beatrice Witherington Daughter Single Female Japaner 18 1893 Birm
Joseph Witherington Son Single Male Brass Worker 16 1895 Birm
Samuel Witherington Son - Male Errend Boy 14 1897 Birm
Violet Witherington Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Birm
Address 87 Pritchett St
Parish Aston
County Warwickshire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Aston
Registration district number 385
Enumeration district 17
District number -
Sub district Duddeston
Sub district number 3
Census reference RG14PN18247 RG78PN1101 RD385 SD3 ED17 SN240
Piece number 18247
Folio -
Page -

Marriages Dec 1889
Bissell Bertha Birmingham 6d 299
Witherington Joseph Birmingham 6d 299
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Name: Alice Hannah Pitt
Birth Date: 24 Feb 1887
Baptism Date: 13 Mar 1887
Baptism Place: Ashted, St James the Less, Warwickshire, England
Father: James Pitt
Mother: Alice Pitt
Reference Number: DRO 10
Archive Roll: 637

1891
James Pitt Head Married Male 30 1861 Brass Caster Birmingham, England
Alice Pitt Wife Married Female 25 1866 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Alice H Pitt Daughter - Female 4 1887 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Ada Pitt Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Street Great Lister Street
Town -
Parish Aston
City Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Registration district Aston
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2421
Folio 4
Page 2

1901 ?

1911 ? [a possible]
Albert Franklin Head Married Male Brick Makers Labourer 43 1868 Wolverhampton
Nellie Franklin Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Smethwick
Alice Pitt Lodger Single Female Press Worker 24 1887 Birmingham
Address 1 Court 1 Green Lane Small Heath Birmingham
Parish Aston
County Warwickshire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Aston
Registration district number 385
Enumeration district 17
District number -
Sub district Bordesley
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN18206 RG78PN1100 RD385 SD2 ED17 SN59
Piece number 18206
Folio -
Page -

Rupert
 
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Is Samuel off a direct line, recommend strongly to get Alice's marriage certificate as Amanda in post 2 referenced, this should give you Samuel's father's name

Yeah, and fly in the ointment is 2x William O [sibling of Samuel].

Mar. cert. may also give occupations, which would be useful.

Geoff
 
Name: Samuel Witherington
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Dec 1957
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 400

Name: Samuel Witherington
Probate Date: 19 Jun 1964
Registry: Birmingham, England
Death Date: 30 Oct 1957
Death Place: Birmingham, England

Name: Samuel Witherington
Birth Date: 28 Jan 1897
Date of Registration: Sep 1971
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 410

Marriages Mar 1922
LEWIS Alice Birmingham 6d 393
WITHERINGTON Samuel Birmingham 6d 393

Rupert
 
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There are one or two trees, but one has an Alice Prout marrying a Samuel Lewis in 1917:

Marriages Q3 1917
Lewis Samuel [Prout]
Prout Alice [Lewis]
Birmingham
6d, 445

Then marring a Samuel Witherington in 1922, the tree has his birth as 1896, not validated on the tree :rolleyes:

Geoff
 
This looks to be the Samuel in post #7 [Rupert, 1911 census]

Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
Samuel Witherington
Year: 1920
Ward or Division/Constituency: Duddeston
Street address: 5 Stratford
Residence Place: Birmingham
[With Bertha and Joseph]

1919 Absent Voter's List
Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
Samuel Witherington [Army Ref: 9006 5. Worcs. R.]
Year: 1920
Ward or Division/Constituency: Duddeston
Street address: 5 Stratford
Residence Place: Birmingham
[Joseph also mentioned, same address]

Samuel wasn't discharged from the army until 1919.

UK, Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920
Samuel Witherington
Discharge Unit: Worcestershire Regiment.
Regiment: Worcestershire Regiment
Regimental Number: 9006
Rank: Pte
Badge Number: 497441
Piece: 3123
List Number: LA 1701-2179
Record Group: WO
Record Class: 329

No Alice H mentioned in 1920 [only Bertha], so perhaps your Samuel was the one b. 1890 :rolleyes:

Geoff
 
Can't see them together before this [Assuming it is them]

Alice Witherington
Year: 1930
Ward or Division/Constituency: Duddeston
Street address: 3 court 17 PRITCHETT
Residence Place: Birmingham
[With a Samuel]

Geoff
 
1911
Beartha Witherington Head Widow Female - 38 1873 Worcestershire
William Owen Witherington Son Single Male Cycle Worker 20 1891 Birmingham
Beatrice Witherington Daughter Single Female Japaner 18 1893 Birm
Joseph Witherington Son Single Male Brass Worker 16 1895 Birm
Samuel Witherington Son - Male Errend Boy 14 1897 Birm
Violet Witherington Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Birm
Address 87 Pritchett St


17 is not 87 so still can't tell for sure.
 
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Do the William Owen's have the same occupation?

Do we have the occupation for the other one?

Mechanical fitter for one in Probate.
 
Thanks, Dave..

I would agree that it's still inconclusive.

My inference was trying to establish age/DoB.. Still at the mercy of the transcriber for the address details.

Geoff
 
Any Probate for the other one?

Yeah, trying to match addresses.

We know which one was in the army but that does not help. He should be single.
 
No Probate for the 1971 one.

Age at marriage would point to 1890.


Probably the father of the one born 1890.

Deaths Dec 1929
Witherington William O 76 Birmingham N 6d 505

Can't find any Probate.
 
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Brother of the one born 1890

Deaths Sep 1946
Witherington William O 66 Birmingham 9c 321
 
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