Wrong Father!

[ptjw7]

Hi All,
I have a bit of a conundrum on the marriage cert of Bertram Bramley who was married in Wandsworth on 29th April 1889.
His father is listed as Pasquel Bramley not Edward Herbert Bramley that I have in my tree, his brother Joseph Bramley is a witness on the cert.
His father is not with the family in 1881, he is in Lambeth while the mother and 2 sons are in Battersea.
So is he just being awkward and not putting his fathers name on his marriage or is there another explanation!

Peter

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Peter,

I have one where the fathers 1st name and occupation was entered wrongly on the marriage certificate.

 

[benny1982]

Does Bertram state his age, and I take it you have found him on subsequent censuses, you have him in 1881, have you found him in 1871?

Was there maybe 2 Bertram Bramley's, first cousins or something? I have found many such cases in my family tree.

 

[Ladybird1300]

This is him in 1871:

Name: Edward H Bramley
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella E Bramley
Gender: Male
Where born: Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 240
Piece: 616
Folio: 66
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward H Bramley 37
Isabella E Bramley 31
Joseph Bramley 11
Bertram Bramley 9


Amanda

 

[ptjw7]

Yes that's the one Amanda.
Everything else fits although never actually found Bertrum's birth details.
The other odd thing is he keeps getting extra names or initials, on electroral rolls he sometimes has Bertrum V E Bramley, Victor B E Bramley and on his probate it says Victor Emanual Bertrum Bramley all with same address!
Just cannot believe a lot of what they put down!

Peter

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Peter,

Marriage

Edward Herbert Bramley
Brides listed
Isabel Evelina Percival
Catherine Vasey
1867
Newcastle Upon Tyne


Scotland select birth and baptisms

Guiseppe Pasquale Ugo Buonocore

Mother Isabel Evelina Percival
Father Pasquale Buonocore

 

[ptjw7]

Looks like someone was getting Cristian names mixed up then!

Peter

 

[juliejtp]

The record is also on familysearch.

More detail. Date of birth 6 Jan 1860, Blythswood Glasgow Lanark Scotland.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Peter,

I see that is was Joseph Bertrams brother that was born in Scotland. So he must be Guiseppe.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Peter,

Birth registration.

Victorio Emanuele Bertram Buonocore

1861
Jul/Aug/Sep
Liverpool

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Peter,

There is a private tree with on Anc...... giving Pascales birth 1826 Napoli Italy.

 

[ptjw7]

I'm beginning to wonder whether Pasquale Buonocore is also Edward Herbert Bramley as Pasquale cannot be found on any census!

Another of those mysteries sent to try us!

Peter

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Peter,

I cant see them being the same person. Would you consider getting the birth certificate for Bertram/Victorio?.

 

[ptjw7]

I don't think it is worth my while as its a bit far removed from my actual family line - sister in law - so only of passing interest - interesting all the same.

All my direct family seem to be dead ends or Smith family!:'(

peter

 

[juliejtp]

She might decide later on to persue it further. I've just one lot of Smiths at the moment. 3 lots of Jones though. 😀