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Youngs of Birmingham - Help ..... I'm Stuck !

Paul33

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Looking for some help with my family tree which has been a little "stuck" for many years now !

I have safely traced my ancestry back to WILLIAM YOUNG (c.1859-1916 "Worcestershire") who married ELIZABETH HOWELL (1861-1944 "Birmingham") at St Andrews, Bordesley in May 1883. Where I am struggling is in finding William's father who is listed on his marriage certificate as another WILLIAM YOUNG - occupation "carter".

My biggest problem is that I can not find William & Elizabeth's family on the 1891 census nor the 1911 census. After years of not finding them on the 1901 census too, I discovered them listed under Elizabeth's maiden name "Howell" at 116 Crockett's Road, Handsworth ..... their children matching with records I have so it is them.

William is listed as a "Greengrocer and Coal Dealer" on the 1901 census but, from what I can find, William was never more than a basic handyman and was never a shopkeeper. However, Elizabeth's brother John B Howell (b1874) was a shopkeeper AND was at 116 Cockett's Road in 1903 for sure.

On the face of it, William has avoided two of the census returns and appeared on one but under his wife's maiden name and seemingly pretending to be his brother in law !

Without these census returns, I'm struggling to find his father William Senior. I have made an assumption that it is a William Young b.1831 in Redmarley and married to Emma Tyler (b1838 ) at Great Malvern (1856) ...... it works quite well but I would dearly love to be more certain.

So ..... if anybody can help here to either find William and Elizabeth's family on the census returns OR find William's father OR even make some sense of what is going on, then I would be very, very grateful !!!
 
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1881
William Young
Age:50
Estimated birth year:abt 1831
Relationship to Head:Head
Spouse:Mary Ann Young
Gender:Male
Where born:Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:39 Botany Way
Marital Status:Married
Education:
Employment status: Carter
Occupation:Carter
Registration district:Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district:
Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel:36a

Neighbors:
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Piece:4040
Folio:98
Page Number:8
Household Members:
Name
Age


William Young 50
Mary Ann Young 51 -c1830 Ireland
James Young 30 -c1851Bolton, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Young 28
Julia Young 26
Selina Young 24
Lucinda Young 22
Ellen Young 19
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1861


Name:-William Young
Age:-34
Estimated birth year:-1827
Relation:-Head
Spouse's Name:-Mary Young
Gender:-Male
Where born:-Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:-Great Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish:-Emanuel
Town:-Bolton
County/Island:-Lancashire
Country:-England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district:Bolton
Sub-registration district:
Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel:2f
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:-190
Piece:2830
Folio:47
Page Number:-41
Household Members:
Name
Age
William Young 34
Mary Young 34
Ellen Ann Young 12
William Young 9
Richd Young 4
Mary Young 1
Matilda Hampton 33
Ellen Orrell 17
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